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 Low Turnout Be Damned...2011 WKO 100 COUNTDOWN!!!!
Dylan
Posted: Apr 25 2012, 09:12 PM





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Completely bizarre and total shocking final to this.

I have no real problem with anyone in the top five, even though I see Terry as a mild stretch.

Still I find it absolutely bizarre that Navarro won so easily. I mean..on the one hand if KillSteve voted anywhere close to what the others voted on Panther, Panther may have over taken him. On the other hand Navarro feels like the guy who was LEAST touted as a number one level guy over the course of the year and in the months leading up to the voting.

I was not wedded to Panther in the first slot and I'm still not. A part of me wishes I had went with the heart and picked Henry. Still Panther was the guy who had the most interesting combination of fun tv matches, great individual performances, fun brawls, interesting mat exchanges, sharpness against variety of opponents, et. I kept coming back to him after running down the pluses and minuses for other guys, and ultimately picked him because he was the guy who I felt the least uncertain of.

That's what makes the finish so bizarre to me I guess. I expected something close and it really wasn't. Navarro ended up being a "safe" top ten pick for everyone and that was enough.
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KillSteve
Posted: Apr 25 2012, 09:59 PM





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Good work SLL.

Someone really needs to post this on the Figure Four board, now more than any other year. A Top 5 with four luchadors and Mark Henry would surely cause some amusing nerdrage.
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Hector
Posted: Apr 26 2012, 12:39 AM





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I don't have a proper list or anything but there was no doubt in my mind that Navarro deserved the top spot. Henry would've been right behind him.
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tim.
Posted: Apr 26 2012, 03:24 AM





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mark henry as number 1 on the prestigious wko100 would have been beyond awesome, but 2 is still pretty nice. i watched next to no wrestling in 2011 and the same is happening in 2012, but still a cool list to read and great job to all involved.
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tim.
Posted: Apr 26 2012, 03:27 AM





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talking about the PRESTEGIOUS wko100, it struck me that a wko magazine would be cool as hell. perfect name, already have a yearly countdown, top forum guys could be writers. never would happen but it struck me as a cool idea!
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Wrestling_KO Mike
Posted: Apr 26 2012, 05:16 AM





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Great job as usual, SLL.

Man, people really underrated Nakamura this year.
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Wrestling_KO Mike
Posted: Apr 26 2012, 05:27 AM





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Aside from maybe Ishii, Nakamura's the only New Japan heavyweight who wouldn't look out of place in a 90s New Japan ring. He carries himself well, his movements, taunting etc are no longer forced, he comes across as "legit", can work the mat, doesn't mind landing on the back of his neck and, most importantly, knows how to build a match.
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Wrestling_KO Mike
Posted: Apr 26 2012, 10:52 AM





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QUOTE (KillSteve @ Apr 25 2012, 09:59 PM)
Good work SLL.

Someone really needs to post this on the Figure Four board, now more than any other year. A Top 5 with four luchadors and Mark Henry would surely cause some amusing nerdrage.
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KB8
Posted: Apr 26 2012, 12:04 PM





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I'm pretty sure I only saw two matches involving Navarro last year, but he was fucking awesome in both of them. He looked like the absolute baddest motherfucker walking in that LUCHA POP match where he puts T1 back in his place.
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SLL
Posted: Apr 26 2012, 10:19 PM


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And now, fun with statistics!

There were 25 unanimous selections for the list

1. Negro Navarro
2. Mark Henry
3. Virus
4. Black Terry
5. Blue Panther
6. Trauma I
7. Daniel Bryan
8. Rey Mysterio
9. John Cena
10. Negro Casas
12. Yuki Ishikawa
15. Daisuke Ikeda
17. Dr. Cerebro
18. Drew McIntyre
19. Trauma II
20. William Regal
22. L.A. Park
23. Jerry Lawler
25. Alberto del Rio
26. Christian
27. Dolph Ziggler
31. Gran Apache
32. The Big Show
39. Angel Mortal
41. Chris Hero

33 wrestlers who appeared on the 2010 WKO 100 were completely shut out of this year's list, some with better excuses than others

15. Chico Che
18. El Hijo del Diablo
21. Alexander Otsuka
25. Gringo Loco
28. Goldust
31. Katsumi Usuda
40. Avisman
45. Tamon Honda
51. Cerebro Negro
53. Jushin Liger
57. Takahiro Oba
58. Genichiro Tenryu
61. Hikaru Sato
66. Zatura
68. Paul London
69. Aja Kong
70. The Great Sasuke
72. El Pollo
74. The Undertaker
78. Bombero Infernal
83. Batista
84. Tatsumi Fujinami
85. Gedo
86. Tiger Mask I
91. Shu el Guerrero
92. Mike Knox
93. El Signo
94. Loco Max
95. Toshiaki Kawada
97. Cassandro
98. Sangre Chicana
99. Jimmy Jacobs
100. Fuerza Guerrera

By comparison, 21 wrestlers who were completely shut out of the 2010 list made the 2011 top 100

29. Guerrero Maya Jr.
30. James Mason
31. Gran Apache
38. Bully Ray
39. Angel Mortal
45. Drew Haskins
48. Bill Dundee
60. Jake Davis
64. Ray Mendoza Jr.
71. Bugambilia del Norte
77. Averno
78. Kyle Matthews
82. Shaun Tempers
86. Michael Elgin
87. Villano IV
89. Louis Lyndon
90. Rocky Santana
94. Willie Mack
95. Jay Briscoe
96. Konan Big
100. Terry Funk

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Isn't that a big enough error that you have to consider either re-running the results with a revised ballot from Tim or re-running the results without counting Tim's votes?


While I ended up opting against re-running the vote, if I had re-counted it with Punk at #3 on Tim's ballot and everyone underneath him moved down a spot for a full 100, Punk would've been #2 on the final list, with the rest of the ordering being the same.

If I had thrown out Tim's ballot altogether, the list would've looked like this:

1. Negro Navarro
2. Virus
3. C.M. Punk
4. Mark Henry
5. Black Terry
6. Blue Panther
7. Dick Togo
8. Yuki Ishikawa
9. Rey Mysterio
10. Trauma I
11. Sami Callihan
12. Dave Finlay
13. Daniel Bryan
14. John Cena
15. Negro Casas
16. Daisuke Ikeda
17. Dr. Cerebro
18. Jerry Lawler
19. Drew McIntyre
20. Luke Gallows
21. William Regal
22. Trauma II
23. Solar I
24. Alberto del Rio
25. James Mason
26. L.A. Park
27. Christian
28. Takeshi Ono
29. Gran Apache
30. Necro Butcher
31. Angel Mortal
32. Damien Wayne
33. Sheamus
34. Dolph Ziggler
35. Demus 3:16
36. The Big Show
37. Chris Hero
38. Yujiro Yamamoto
39. Guerrero Maya Jr.
40. Arkangel de la Muerte
41. Bill Dundee
42. Drew Haskins
43. Chris Masters
44. Jun Akiyama
45. Shinsuke Nakamura
46. Bully Ray
47. Dean Ambrose
48. Derrick King
49. Brodie Lee
50. Pierrothito
51. Yoshiaki Fujiwara
52. Mike Segura
53. Eddie Kingston
54. El Hijo del Santo
55. Yoshihiro Takayama
56. Randy Orton
57. Claudio Castagnoli/Antonio Cesaro
58. Meiko Satomura
59. Jake Davis
60. Hayato Jr. Fujita
61. Evan Bourne
62. Kevin Steen
63. Oficial AK-47
64. Bugambilia del Norte
65. Low Ki
66. Koji Kanemoto
67. Akira Tozawa
68. Yoshihito Sasaki
69. Ray Mendoza Jr.
70. Kyle Matthews
71. Oficial 911
72. Pantera
73. Shaun Tempers
74. El Generico
75. Michael Elgin
76. Mascarita Dorada
77. Louis Lyndon
78. Rocky Santana
79. El Mesias
80. Kenou
81. Jay Briscoe
82. Villano IV
83. Preston Quinn
84. Terry Funk
85. Stuka Jr.
86. Vader
87. T.J. Perkins
88. Ultraman
89. Bam Bam
90. Darren Young
91. Trevor Murdoch
92. John Morrison
93. Mike Quackenbush
94. Yuji Okabayashi
95. Kana
96. Super Dragon
97. El Hijo del Solitario
98. Cody Rhodes
99. Mark Briscoe
100. Primo Colon

But no matter how you slice it, or how you choose to count or not count certain votes, there can only be one true winner....and that's Dylan. Correctly placing five wrestlers, and placing five more within one placement of their correct spot, Dylan has the honor of having the Best Ballot of 2011, and earns the right to dictate what we will and will not like in 2012. And as we all know, there is literally no other way for people to form opinions. So we'll see where that goes, and if it doesn't crash and burn, hopefully I can do this again next year. See ya then!
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Dylan
Posted: Apr 26 2012, 11:56 PM





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My first decree is that everyone needs to watch that Chris Hamrick carry job of the Nitro scrub. I will periodically post edicts as the year goes on.
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{Wrestling KO} Luis
Posted: Apr 27 2012, 10:29 AM





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Fantastic list, now I need to catch up with my non CMLL lucha.


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puropotsy
Posted: Apr 29 2012, 10:39 PM


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This list was awesome guys. One can learn a lot about what happened in 2011 from reading this.
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