Project 57bis

Though bugger kept me at work longer than usuall. Anyways, here she is. Next to do corrected version of her rebuild form.
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Canyou give me some information about this ship?
I cant find anything on internet about destroyer Gremiashchiy/project 57/ project 57 bis

Thanks

Mitch B)

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If you search from western sites, perhaps its NATO name "Krupnyi" can help you out.

But long story short; At the end of the 50's when Chelomey's SSchs missile was operational, the then Newest destroyer project 57 was redesigned as its main carriage and the class entered service under the designation BRK, Bolshoi Raketnyi Korabl (large rocket(missile) ship). The SSchs was not succesfull missile and as the technological advantage soon passed them into premature obsolence, Soviets rebuild the entire class as Pr.57PLO during the early 70's. They landed the SSchs missile system in place of Volna SAM system and helicopter and some better ASW armament. That rebuilding was so expensive and proplematic that Soviet Navy didn't rebuild any warship since them.

The rebuild ship (NATO called it KANIN) was done by Hood into shipbucket years ago, but since discussing about the matter with him, he allowed me to do rework of that ship into the bucket. I thougth it was appropriate to start with the orginal form first.
Im also planning to do the prototype ships of SSchs missle that were based on earlier Pr.56 class destroyers.

So........Soviet :D I love these old warships - just grok the missile launchers. I'm also assuming the target would be large NATO warships - CAV's? An early attempt to get ssm's further out to sea.

Great drawing as ususal Golly !!
Now mateeee just in case you need any addtional inspration with the Type 56 SSG mods ;)
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and the modifications
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These are JEPGs but I can redo them in any format that you need

Graham murdoch

gollevainen,

That is the most beautiful 'ugly ship' I have ever seen!
Even with the ancient missile launchers, their hull lines are absolutely beautiful. I'll never understand why people don't like the Soviet-era ships... I find them to be some of the most attractive on the water.

The Soviet and Russian ships in general have beautiful lines, and Pr57bis is no exception. However, the gripe most westerners have with the Soviet and Russian ships is because internally, the Soviet/Russian ships leave a lot to be desired.

There was a report made by two French exchange officers that served aboard the Russian UDALOY-II class destroyer "Admiral Chabanenko" for a short period of time in 2004 that pretty much slaughtered the way the Russians (and Soviets before them) did things. There were a lot of things that from a western perspective were basics that lacked from "Admiral Chabanenko". For instance, lack of anti-slip coating on the decks (making them more accident-prone for sailors); poor personal hygiene aboard "Admiral Chabanenko" as a result of there being no hot water available to the crew and cold water for only 10 minutes every day and the crew only being allowed to bathe once every 10 days(!); very bad internal relations within the (highly confusing) chain of command; lack of functioning means of communicating with the outside world; not keeping ship's sensors functioning (turned RADAR off, with the result that the crew of "Admiral Chabanenko" didn't detect a RAF Nimrod or a civilian helicopter until they were buzzed by them(!)); and so on. The information is collected from a Russian report (found here), which was translated to English here. Things may have been improved since then, but it is doubtful that much have changed. The kind of systematic flaws as described in the report take time to change, even if there is a will to change it with the Powers That Be™.

Sorry to hijack your thread Golly.

With soviet union/Russian "way of doing things" one needs to understand that they basicly grewn their completely own and unique naval tradition that has been really, really little influenced by any other navies since the revolution. Many of the descriped "flaws" are more common in normal Russian perspective of seeing things, and things that migth be important for Western navies migth have been completely alien by concept to Soviet's.

Thanks for the drawings, thougth I actually got lot more detailed drawings from Russian books that I will use when I jump into Pr.56Ms

I like Russian ships. Brimming with so many missiles and guns. It's pretty clear these things are designed to "break things and kill people," as my dad likes to say.

Great work Golly. I always wanted to do the original but didn't have the sources. An excellent looking ship although I'd have to say the rebuilt ASW version looks generally neater than this intial version.

Great stuff!

(Is there any chance of the Kildin too?)

Maybe I'm just a silly American, but those missile launchers make me think of a chainsaw-wielding mass murderer....that may not, though, be a bad impression for a warship to give.

Military gear should scare the living shit out of your enemies.

Which makes me wonder why the Belgians etc rejected the German Flecktarn camo pattern as being "too aggressive"... personally I'd channel all the Waffen SS hatred into making my forces scare the balls off the enemy.

Military gear should be effective at performing its mission: generally, killing your enemies.

To a substantial degree, the "aggressive" appearance of Soviet-era warships was due to the maintenance regimen anticipated by the powers that be. Soviet ships often shipped entire extra functional systems, with repairs being performed in port (thus keeping the expensive and volume-consuming educated technicians offboard). When a system went down, the backup was still there. Most notable are the dual Head Net air-search sets on many 1960s-1970s Soviet ships.

In contrast, western ships tended to carry spare parts in order to allow onboard repair of out-of-service systems. These large volumes of spare parts and technicians (trained/educated men usually requiring higher living standards in order to remain in the Navy) tended to make these western ships look less "warlike". This is due to a fundamentally different approach towards service and maintenance.

Neither is intrinsically superior in terms of the capability to make war.

It also had a lot to do with the general distrust the Soviets had towards giving their enlisted men any kind of responsibility or technical knowhow. All technicians and repair personnel in the Soviet Navy (and to some extent, the successor Russian Navy) were officers.

It was not actually that much of due misstrusts but due the ever present proplem of conscrpited cadre system: there is never enough time to make the short term conscripts at the heat of latest technology and made one's military depended on their short commitment. In Soviet military, paid regular Non commisioned officers appeared only during the later years after this fact had become realised.

anyways, enough of this offtopic part and back to the ships and drawings.