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Title: Alien Surface Warships


navybrat85 - May 20, 2010 07:22 AM (GMT)
I'm way too lazy and lacking for time to develop this into a full AU, but a while back a buddy of mine and I were discussing the background of an alien species we created for Star Trek RPGs. One of the things we asked each other about this species, the Valderans, is what their "old surface warships" might look like. Valderans love gunnery, and we decided that they would have been slower to give up large caliber guns than we humans have been, Thinking back on it, it gave me a chance to do something semi-meaningful with the half-done BBGN I've had laying around.

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This ship is 890 feet long, and 130 feet abeam. The main battery turrets house 3 18" guns each.

The secondary guns are 40mm Gattling-type CIWS weapons, intended for use against small craft and close in aircraft or missiles. There are eight total.

The radar array mounted above the superstructure consists of five arrays grouped together. The center array is similar to a SPY-1 Array. The smaller arrays are illuminators/directors, capable of directing the main battery, missiles, or CIWS. There are four sets.

The missiles are....

Point Defense (Small missile)

Area Air Defense (Blue and white missile)

Long range, land attack (red and blue stripes)

klagldsf - May 20, 2010 07:53 AM (GMT)
More species info would be appreciated, including what their current ships look like and complete species history.

navybrat85 - May 20, 2010 08:11 AM (GMT)
their current ships as of 2010 are starships. This species, in the star trek universe, achieved warp capabilities around 1910 on the earth calender.

The Valderans themselves are a humanoid species. Slightly taller and heavier on average than humans. They come from a planet called Valderis, located some 80 lightyears roughly coreward of Earth in the Milky Way galaxy.

Unlike humans, who entered a period known as the "Dark ages" where most technological advancement stopped, the Valderans continued chugging along. This ship represents the technology level circa 1885 on the Earth Calender. By that point, the planet was dominated by three rival empires. military technology was the driving force behind many technological advances on the planet, such as nuclear power and medicine. By the middle of the 20th Century, however, a world government had been established and seagoing warships were a thing of the past.

Nuclear weapons were created around 1853, and used five times by 1865. The results of those nuclear attacks, however, lead to treaties banning nuclear weapons all together, and by the 1880s the planet's entire nuclear arsenal was abandoned. Nuclear propulsion, however, continued to be used for major surface warships.

When it came to weapons, Missiles never got the attention they get on Earth. Surface launched Anti-Ship missiles weren't developed fully, since most nations' rules of engagement required visual identification before firing. The thought was, if we have to visually identify the target anyways before we kill it, why not use guns that can hit targets at those ranges already anyways. only aircraft or Fast attack craft of smaller nations relied on Anti-Ship missiles. Missiles did replace guns for most Surface to Air work, since missiles proved more effective at attacking high-speed aircraft, and for long range strategic land attack strikes.

BBGN-1 Conquerer (pictured above) is preserved in the harbor at Valderis City (the capitol of the planet) as a tribute to the men and women who fought on the seas.

navybrat85 - May 20, 2010 05:03 PM (GMT)
A little more history...(all dates are on the Earth calender)

Battleships continued to be built on Valderis by the major empires (The Marvarigaten Empire, which built Conquerer, the Krivallan Empire, and the Sourijani Empire) until the advent of Warp Drive. Early on, their roles were virtually identical to those of Earth's battleships. With the advent of air power and Naval Aviation, the Battleship's future was threatened (just as it was on Earth.) however, the Valderan Empires found that Battleships could still serve in the same manner that the Iowa class did in World War II: Escorting aircraft carriers, and providing shore bombardment for amphibious assaults. the size and payload capacity of Battleships made them perfectly suited for conversion to Land Attack platforms, after the invention of long range land attack missiles. Conquerer, for instance, could carry 150 land attack missiles, and still ship enough air defense missiles to protect itself from enemy air power. The usual loadout for such a mission would have been 150 Land Attack Missiles, 83 Theater Air Defense Missiles (Standard/Patriot analogues) and 92 medium/short range missiles (quadpacked in the VLS launchers, similar to ESSM).

Projectiles for larger guns, such as Conquerer's 18" guns or the 8" guns of the Kritak class Heavy Missile Cruisers, were developed extensively. By the late 1800s, guided projectiles, extended range ballistic projectiles, and extended range guided projectiles were standard issue for most of the world's surviving dreadnaughts. The Conquerer's 18" guns could fire an extended range guided projectile over 100 miles, with an accuracy of 10 meters. Many of the guided projectiles were directed either by radar, or GPS.

Engagements between Dreadnaughts were common before 1850, although after the Great War of 1850-1865, such engagements became the exception, rather than the rule. The last major dreadnaught engagement occured during the summer of 1899, when 12 dreadnaughts, six from Marvarigaten and six from Krivalla, met with their escorts about 100 miles off the coast of Valderis City in the northern western hemisphere. the battle resulted in two Marvarigaten and three Krivallan Dreadnaughts being sunk, all by surface gunfire. After the battle, one damaged Krivallan battleship was torpedoed by a Marvarigaten submarine. Conquerer herself, present at the battle, sank one enemy dreadnaught and damaged another. She herself was badly damaged, with her #2 mount blown open by a succession of shell hits, and the port bow gun sponson destroyed by direct fire.

Dreadnaughts met once more after this battle, but it was one on one and resulted in a draw, as both shipes retired due to battle damage.

ALVAMA - May 20, 2010 05:43 PM (GMT)
Sounds interesting! Love the bow number :)

navybrat85 - May 20, 2010 05:45 PM (GMT)
Thanks, Alvama. I figured a normal #1 just wouldn't do, so I had to come up with something "alien"

Kitsune - May 20, 2010 06:49 PM (GMT)
It looks too "human" in my opinion. In some ways I find it reminiscent of some of my old vessels.

acelanceloet - May 20, 2010 06:55 PM (GMT)
the radar system looks interesting....... although it has the problem when it will be hit, the entire sensor system of the ship will be taken out..... in an battle with big guns, that sounds like an problem. also, I would have placed the guns more to the center of the ship, but that's just my personal opinion.

for the rest it looks rather good! (and I also love the bow number xD)

ALVAMA - May 20, 2010 07:26 PM (GMT)
I'm just going to see a movie, tomorrow so I can made an idea for you :D

navybrat85 - May 22, 2010 04:23 PM (GMT)
For Klagdlsf...

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This is the Kritak Class Starcruiser. production began in 2009, with a dozen units planned by the time construction ceases in 2021.

IsleofTexas - May 22, 2010 04:32 PM (GMT)
Can it re-enter the atmosphere?

navybrat85 - May 22, 2010 04:50 PM (GMT)
While this ship is capable of atmospheric flight (a triumph of brute force over aerodynamics) it cannot make a "recoverable" landing. If it's on the ground, it stays on the ground.

IsleofTexas - May 22, 2010 04:53 PM (GMT)
Ok. Ill take one for testing :P .

navybrat85 - May 22, 2010 05:18 PM (GMT)
Just be careful with the disruptor cannons and the Matter/Anti-Matter explosives.

klagldsf - May 22, 2010 05:29 PM (GMT)
I don't mean their current starships as of now, I mean their current starships as of the "current" Star Trek timeline :P


Trust me, I watch a lot of Star Trek, I think I know those Brannon Braga and Rick Berman tossers pretty well. You'll see what I'll be getting at soon, hopefully.

navybrat85 - May 22, 2010 07:32 PM (GMT)
Their flagship is in the non-shipbucket drawing forum.

I'll shoot an e-mail to my co-conspirator about any plans he has for Valderan 24th Century warships.




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