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Colosseum - January 16, 2010 02:12 AM (GMT)
Comments about Planebucket go here.

Demon Lord Razgriz - January 16, 2010 06:32 AM (GMT)
I believe top views need to be mandatory. :3

Philbob - January 16, 2010 06:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Demon Lord Razgriz @ Jan 16 2010, 06:32 AM)
I believe top views need to be mandatory. :3

philbob seconds

gollevainen - January 16, 2010 09:27 AM (GMT)
nope, I could say same thing about ships and many guys would be in trouple ;)
If someone wants to do top wievs, he can do them, but if don't how we could oppose him?
The planes ends up in charts, not as individual uploads.

Demon Lord Razgriz - January 16, 2010 10:15 AM (GMT)
I also believe Aircraft Carriers should have top views as well, but that's for another discussion.

But unlike ships, a true image of a plane comes not from the side view, but the top view. Show me a side view, unless it's a commonly known aircraft, I'd need you to tell me what it is. Show me a top view, unless it's a rare & unknown aircraft, I'd be able to ID it in a second.

gollevainen - January 16, 2010 01:08 PM (GMT)
Same arguments could apply for ships, but the idea of planes in first place is to show them when used in the side-wiev ship drawings.
If some goes for topside wiev of carrier, then he needs the topwiev of the planes as well, but as practice shows, those are still rather rare occasions.

erik_t - January 16, 2010 03:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Demon Lord Razgriz @ Jan 16 2010, 10:15 AM)
I also believe Aircraft Carriers should have top views as well, but that's for another discussion.

But unlike ships, a true image of a plane comes not from the side view, but the top view. Show me a side view, unless it's a commonly known aircraft, I'd need you to tell me what it is. Show me a top view, unless it's a rare & unknown aircraft, I'd be able to ID it in a second.

A "true image"? This is surely incontrovertible fact and not just your personal preference, right?

klagldsf - January 16, 2010 05:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (gollevainen @ Jan 16 2010, 01:08 PM)
but the idea of planes in first place is to show them when used in the side-wiev ship drawings.

Yeah, the planes are very much secondary on Shipbucket :P


I'd appreciate it if all the civilian stuff makes it on the upload, but I wouldn't blame them if it isn't.

rifleman - January 17, 2010 08:48 AM (GMT)
Much As I like the planebucket thread. I am in agreement that the promary focus should be on ships and the planes should be complementry to the ships.

Demon Lord Razgriz - January 17, 2010 09:15 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (erik_t @ Jan 16 2010, 11:57 AM)
QUOTE (Demon Lord Razgriz @ Jan 16 2010, 10:15 AM)
I also believe Aircraft Carriers should have top views as well, but that's for another discussion.

But unlike ships, a true image of a plane comes not from the side view, but the top view. Show me a side view, unless it's a commonly known aircraft, I'd need you to tell me what it is. Show me a top view, unless it's a rare & unknown aircraft, I'd be able to ID it in a second.

A "true image"? This is surely incontrovertible fact and not just your personal preference, right?

The fact that all aircraft recognition books & files I've read shows the top view primarly with sometimes the side view gives support to my claim. You don't ID an aircraft by it's side view, you do it with the top view. B)

And yes, I'll agree with planebucket being secondary to shipbucket. But that's no excuse for incompleteness! It's not desired on Shipbucket, so it shouldn't be desired here.

Colosseum - January 17, 2010 05:47 PM (GMT)
If people don't want to draw top views, that's their business.

There's no way for us to enforce a rule that makes people draw plan views.

Drop it.

MihoshiK - January 17, 2010 09:08 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Demon Lord Razgriz @ Jan 17 2010, 11:15 AM)

The fact that all aircraft recognition books & files I've read shows the top view primarly with sometimes the side view gives support to my claim. You don't ID an aircraft by it's side view, you do it with the top view. B)

And yes, I'll agree with planebucket being secondary to shipbucket. But that's no excuse for incompleteness!  It's not desired on Shipbucket, so it shouldn't be desired here.

Just in case Colosseum's warning wasn't clear enough: DROP IT. NOW. Or you are looking at a vacation coming to your account real soon.

We do not take kindly to people who tell us to make unenforcable rules, who themselves are not contributers to the "real" (the IMPORTANT) part of the boards.

If you ever start good contributions instead of kitbashed alternate universe stuff we might start considering suggestions (!) you make.

MitcheLL300 - January 18, 2010 07:12 AM (GMT)
Are AU planes also allowed to be posted into planebucket topic?

gollevainen - January 18, 2010 08:30 AM (GMT)
I would say, post the AU planes into the spesific AU thread you have with introduction and ships.
And completely AU eq own designed planes should perhaps go to their own thread

Novice - January 18, 2010 03:28 PM (GMT)
Ashley those Nakajima G8N of yours are very nice. I wonder if that's the never built 4-engined Japanese bomber?

klagldsf - January 18, 2010 05:29 PM (GMT)
It is.

Are you sure the ball turret is to scale? Sorry but it looks a tad bit awkward.

Ashley - January 27, 2010 08:32 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (klagldsf @ Jan 18 2010, 05:29 PM)
It is.

Are you sure the ball turret is to scale? Sorry but it looks a tad bit awkward.

Yes, this is the upcoming 4engine bomber...of the IJN. The surviving prototype was flown to USA for test flights. And they liked it very much.

I revised the belly turret, now it's correct.

The 4 engined bomber of the Army Air Force was to be the Kawasaki Ki-91. I'll do it next.
The Ki-91 would have played in the B-29-class, the prototype didn't make it airborn, the facility was destroyed by B-29s.

ALVAMA - January 27, 2010 06:43 PM (GMT)
Colosseum, I've got a few fictional planes like WesWorld and NationStates ones. Would you have anything against, If I post them at the Plane-bucket (2) topic?
IMO, It would not be a major problem If I post just a ''few'' and not overlord it and such. Ofcource I'll add a few ''Real-life'' in the future too! Thanks!

Thiel - January 27, 2010 06:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ALVAMA @ Jan 27 2010, 06:43 PM)
Colosseum, I've got a few fictional planes like WesWorld and NationStates ones. Would you have anything against, If I post them at the Plane-bucket (2) topic?
IMO, It would not be a major problem If I post just a ''few'' and not overlord it and such. Ofcource I'll add a few ''Real-life'' in the future too! Thanks!

If you do, would you please mark the drawing as AU. That'll make browsing for planes far easier.

ALVAMA - January 27, 2010 07:48 PM (GMT)
Ofcource, I got the same idea!

paul_541 - January 27, 2010 10:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (gollevainen @ Jan 16 2010, 05:27 AM)
nope, I could say same thing about ships and many guys would be in trouple ;)
If someone wants to do top wievs, he can do them, but if don't how we could oppose him?
The planes ends up in charts, not as individual uploads.

I think he should have top view aircraft ONLY FOR AIRCRAFT / HELICOPTERS ON BOARD OF SHIPS. Like her, if people are making top view of ships, they can copy them directly ... <_< It's much easier that way ... ;) :D :)

It's my opinion.

Greetings.

klagldsf - January 28, 2010 12:32 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ALVAMA @ Jan 27 2010, 06:43 PM)
Colosseum, I've got a few fictional planes like WesWorld and NationStates ones. Would you have anything against, If I post them at the Plane-bucket (2) topic?
IMO, It would not be a major problem If I post just a ''few'' and not overlord it and such. Ofcource I'll add a few ''Real-life'' in the future too! Thanks!

I would honestly post them in non-Shipbucket to avoid any chance of confusion. Plus, I like your larger-scale stuff anyway.

Colosseum - January 28, 2010 01:09 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (paul_541 @ Jan 27 2010, 04:21 PM)
QUOTE (gollevainen @ Jan 16 2010, 05:27 AM)
nope, I could say same thing about ships and many guys would be in trouple ;)
If someone wants to do top wievs, he can do them, but if don't how we could oppose him?
The planes ends up in charts, not as individual uploads.

I think he should have top view aircraft ONLY FOR AIRCRAFT / HELICOPTERS ON BOARD OF SHIPS. Like her, if people are making top view of ships, they can copy them directly ... <_< It's much easier that way ... ;) :D :)

It's my opinion.

Greetings.

I don't understand a word you just said.

erik_t - January 28, 2010 01:37 AM (GMT)
It's always been my perception that anything in (1) the Shipbucket scale and (2) using the Shipbucket drawing/coloring guidelines does not belong in the non-Shipbucket drawings forum.

Colosseum - January 28, 2010 01:40 AM (GMT)
Since when has the Planebucket topic been ONLY for real life? I never got that perception.

erik_t - January 28, 2010 01:44 AM (GMT)
I dunno. It's understandable that, since the variety of aircraft is so much larger than the variety of ships, that people feel that it would be useful to differentiate on a drawing-by-drawing basis between what is real and what is AU (particularly since it is beginning to appear that the main Shipbucket site will never be up-to-date with a complete aircraft list).

Maintaining different drawing threads seems like a heavy-handed approach to that; if every aircraft is labeled, a quick Google search should clarify what is real and what is not.

paul_541 - January 28, 2010 01:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Colosseum @ Jan 27 2010, 09:09 PM)
QUOTE (paul_541 @ Jan 27 2010, 04:21 PM)
QUOTE (gollevainen @ Jan 16 2010, 05:27 AM)
nope, I could say same thing about ships and many guys would be in trouple ;)
If someone wants to do top wievs, he can do them, but if don't how we could oppose him?
The planes ends up in charts, not as individual uploads.

I think he should have top view aircraft ONLY FOR AIRCRAFT / HELICOPTERS ON BOARD OF SHIPS. Like her, if people are making top view of ships, they can copy them directly ... <_< It's much easier that way ... ;) :D :)

It's my opinion.

Greetings.

I don't understand a word you just said.

I talking about how important to have a top view plan for AIRCRAFTS ONBOARD SHIPS. If people do make top ship view, they only have to copy the aircraft top view in parts sheets. It's more simple for everybody... ;)

Greetings.

Philbob - January 29, 2010 07:14 AM (GMT)

Demon Lord Razgriz - January 29, 2010 11:29 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Philbob @ Jan 29 2010, 03:14 AM)
new russian super fighter debut


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp0yd6no7B4...player_embedded

As soon as I can get some measurements, I'll draw PAK-FA for SB, already got the side & top view images ready! :D

paul_541 - January 30, 2010 12:39 AM (GMT)
Does it have a drawing of the lockeed L-1011 Tristar on Planebucket ?

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

;) :) :huh:

crazyhorse - January 30, 2010 12:48 AM (GMT)
A shot of of the underside of PAK-FA :)

user posted image

TimothyC - January 30, 2010 03:45 AM (GMT)
I recently picked up Tony Butler's "American Secret Projects Fighters and Interceptors 1945-1978" if anyone wants a few scans.

MihoshiK - January 30, 2010 05:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (paul_541 @ Jan 28 2010, 03:57 AM)
QUOTE (Colosseum @ Jan 27 2010, 09:09 PM)
QUOTE (paul_541 @ Jan 27 2010, 04:21 PM)

I think he should have top view aircraft ONLY FOR AIRCRAFT / HELICOPTERS ON BOARD OF SHIPS. Like her, if people are making top view of ships, they can copy them directly ...  <_<  It's much easier that way ...  ;)    :D    :)

It's my opinion. 

Greetings.

I don't understand a word you just said.

I talking about how important to have a top view plan for AIRCRAFTS ONBOARD SHIPS. If people do make top ship view, they only have to copy the aircraft top view in parts sheets. It's more simple for everybody... ;)

Greetings.

Your opinion is just that. People are free to draw whatever they want. If they want to draw only side-views of airplanes, tough. Anything else you get is gravy.

I've had words with someone else regarding this before, as has Colosseum.

This stops now.

If anyone else starts to whine about how aircraft should have top/front/bottom/aft views, they're in for a short vacation.
Am I making myself clear here?

Edit:
There is NO requirement as to WHAT you draw. Shipbucket concerns itself with the STYLE of your drawings. Those aircraft carriers that Paul wants top-view aircraft for? I'll let you all in on a little secret. There is no requirement that those aircraft carriers have a top-view either. Someone just did it, and it caught on. For all we care you give your ships a bottom view too. More power to you. Just don't think that from there on in it will be RAR! absolutely ESSENTIAL! that everyone else does it too.
And especially do not pester other artists over it. A polite request, perhaps by PM, is good. Loudly calling for introduction of "rules" for what "must" be drawn? See my remark regarding vacations.

paul_541 - January 30, 2010 07:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (MihoshiK @ Jan 30 2010, 01:55 PM)
QUOTE (paul_541 @ Jan 28 2010, 03:57 AM)
QUOTE (Colosseum @ Jan 27 2010, 09:09 PM)
QUOTE (paul_541 @ Jan 27 2010, 04:21 PM)

I think he should have top view aircraft ONLY FOR AIRCRAFT / HELICOPTERS ON BOARD OF SHIPS. Like her, if people are making top view of ships, they can copy them directly ...  <_<  It's much easier that way ...  ;)    :D    :)

It's my opinion. 

Greetings.

I don't understand a word you just said.

I talking about how important to have a top view plan for AIRCRAFTS ONBOARD SHIPS. If people do make top ship view, they only have to copy the aircraft top view in parts sheets. It's more simple for everybody... ;)

Greetings.

Your opinion is just that. People are free to draw whatever they want. If they want to draw only side-views of airplanes, tough. Anything else you get is gravy.

I've had words with someone else regarding this before, as has Colosseum.

This stops now.

If anyone else starts to whine about how aircraft should have top/front/bottom/aft views, they're in for a short vacation.
Am I making myself clear here?

Edit:
There is NO requirement as to WHAT you draw. Shipbucket concerns itself with the STYLE of your drawings. Those aircraft carriers that Paul wants top-view aircraft for? I'll let you all in on a little secret. There is no requirement that those aircraft carriers have a top-view either. Someone just did it, and it caught on. For all we care you give your ships a bottom view too. More power to you. Just don't think that from there on in it will be RAR! absolutely ESSENTIAL! that everyone else does it too.
And especially do not pester other artists over it. A polite request, perhaps by PM, is good. Loudly calling for introduction of "rules" for what "must" be drawn? See my remark regarding vacations.

Okay, I close the subject. ;) :)

gollevainen - January 30, 2010 07:47 PM (GMT)
Don't get it that you are not allowed to drawn them, Just do not think that everyone is obligated to drawn them

MitcheLL300 - January 31, 2010 08:37 AM (GMT)
Nice planes paul, a nice addition to the air fleet :lol:

rickdog - February 8, 2010 05:23 PM (GMT)
Darthpanda, my friend. You got a nice sheet for the F-18`s, but remember the "golden rule" about cannopies and windows. "All windows must have uniform coloring in blue and must be outlined in black". Otherwise, they should be posted in the non-shipbucket drawings section.
:) :)

Commentary : imho, this rule about making commentaries in another topic different from the topic where planes are drawn, is kind of messy, but I`ll comply. ;)

:)

Philbob - February 8, 2010 05:28 PM (GMT)
@ dearth Panda do you think you could redo your super hornets with Gold windows just for the discusion thread?

Thiel - February 8, 2010 06:18 PM (GMT)
Has anyone drawn the Hawker Horser or the variant Hawker Dantorp?

Colosseum - February 8, 2010 07:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (rickdog @ Feb 8 2010, 11:23 AM)
Commentary : imho, this rule about making commentaries in another topic different from the topic where planes are drawn, is kind of messy, but I`ll comply. ;)

Deleting all the stupid comments from the Planebucket thread so that we could actually read it was "kind of messy".




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