The successor to Deutschland-class pocket battleships. Larger, faster, more armor. Another ship from the Z-Plan.

Great Ashley !
Looking forward to see more
;)


PS: minor error for the 20mm gun, not oerlikon but german gun
;)

oups, 20mm-guns revised.

The very bottom is missing the black line and the prop is missing a piece as well.

Other than what Demon Lord Razgriz said, well done Ashley!

P class would have been made at the time from o class battlecruisers.
I whas planning to do the p class after h44 and h42.
But that's no issue.
I want to advice you to use these guns.

5.9'' above, used on o class an p class.
3'' flak above(you can better use the one below here)


Mitch ;)

thanks for advice, 1943 version revised again.

and now, especially for Mitch ;) the 1946 version with
late 5,9" secondary guns
3" flak
more 2cm & 3,7cm flak
new Arado 296 aircraft
10,5m-rangefinder with Freya-radar on top removed
Wuerzburg-radar installed instead

Nice one Ashley.
Good to compare your German never builts to my British and see what might have been had WW2 broke out 5 years later. :D

It would have changed details only, I believe. If a Germany with it's enlarged territorries could match the power of a United Kingdom is a question of allies.

Never built ships facing in battle is interesting. I think, in a mid 40s scenario superior radars would lead to victory, rather than overwhelming gunpower.
And the ships of the Z-plan are not designed to win against a whole Royal Navy. Those P-class cruisers for example would have marauded the seas as commerceraiders, just like Graf Spee or the aux.cruisers.
The plan did not see more heavy cruisers but a bunch of light cruisers (the M-class). Those M-class-cruisers would have been no match for a Southampton-class or a Brooklyn-class-cruiser.
But those discussions are obsolete, while they were discussed a thousand times before. :D

Finally, a P-class in 1942 spring camo (not very spectacular...)

For the AA Armament

;)

when coloring some part of the hull with camoflage scheme, its custom to apply that same paint underneath the window covers as well ;)

What's with that radar?

Yeah me too. Ashley was this actually planned or an AU? If it's an AU perhaps you can use the radar attached to a flak director on Tirpitz in 1944 instead?

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WRGER_05.htm

Please see the difference between the 1943 and the 1946 version. The 1943 version is as planned. Including the at the range finder attached navalized Freya-radar.
The Freya-types were obsolete in 1944 because of they were vulnerable to ecm, especially those clouds of alu-stripes (don't the name by now).
The new Wuerzburg-radars were not. An they had a greater range.
I am sure, they would have been installed on Kriegsmarine-ships beginning late 1944.

Wikipedia -> Wuerzburg radar

@colombamike: thanks for you work. I see you thought a while about it.
-single 20mm-mounts were still common, even when the same mounts could carry twins, so the change would be optional
-the aa on the main turrets should be 37mm. Are they wrong?
-the 20mm-single behind the secondairy turrets could really be quads
-the 20mm-single on the fore funnel is only covered on the drawing. Usually the cranes are lowered to the deck.
-to change the searchlight at the tower is optional. The higher you place guns the heavier gets targeting. I would replace the searchlight with small Wuerzburg-radar (the top one is 'Riese'-type)

You are absolutely right, thanks ...and done.

A late 40s ship, equipped with A7-missiles. The A7 was a winged version of the A5 which was a smaller cousin of the well known A4 (V2). The A7 was evolved for the Kriegsmarine but not accepted in reality.

Ooooo.... Very nice, hope you don't mind me borrowing some parts for my NS WWII Navy. ;)

Though I would add some details to the A-7.

For a late 40's REALISTIC Kriegsmarine ships

Delete all single, twin, quadruple 20mm and replace it with single & twin new 30mm (in project, 1943-1945)

Replace all 37 & 40mm by a new 55mm (in study 1942-1944, finally deleted by Hithler 1945)
;)

----REALISTIC----

whish ships aren't in your eyes?

;) ;)

my comments are not a "offense" (they do not have this purpose)

Simply, it is clear that if the Kriegsmarine would have survived until 1948, at this time the Germans had installed new AA guns enjoying the experience of war.

I doubt that in 1948, with a giant Allied air threat, the German ships still use 20, 37 and 40mm.

The 30 and 55mm gun were studied at the end of the war (1943-1945)
;)

Has these guns been drawn yet? If so, can I get them? If not, can I get images of them to draw them?

A flak version of the 55m

data about 55mm gun

Sure, take whatever you can use.

The quads behand the secondairy turrets are new 30mm. I think they were not drawn before. 50/55mm aa won't be added until I have found a drawing or photo of the shield (sideview). this is first quick and dirty one:


The A7 might have to become revised. It could be there are only two large wings, not four.