Title: Battlecruiser Ersatz Yorck
Ashley - February 10, 2010 01:46 PM (GMT)
Here comes the battlecruiser SMS Yorck of 1920, just after trials and ready for commissioning. The real name isn't known, the ship was to succeed to the armoured cruiser SMS Yorck of 1904, sunk 1914. Ersatz Yorck class was the successor of Mackensen class.
How do you like it?
erik_t - February 10, 2010 02:36 PM (GMT)
There are a lot of shading issues; I suggest you look at a superb pre-WW2 drawing such as one of AVALMA's Fuso
. Also the conning tower slits are not done in the standard Shipbucket way (black line over dark gray; see Alaska
as an example of this and others).
Much of the hard work is done, though (assuming your references were good), leaving mostly just the tedious work ahead. I look forward to seeing this progress; God knows there aren't enough underwater torpedo tubes in this world.
gollevainen - February 10, 2010 02:36 PM (GMT)
Lot of little mistakes...
*) Hull is same colors as upper works <_< Shipbucket's basics...And taken that German ships were always rather ligth, the shading looks rather incorrect (compare to my latest Kriegsmarine drawings or MConrads classic Bundesmarine ships.)
*)Windows, outline them black, color them properly (there should be the correct shade in the equipment charts)
*) The dark grey isen't that "dark"...eq thus the funnel cap looks really odd
*)If you shade the funnel as to mark the rounding, why not shade then the mast and other round objects :huh: its either no shading, or correct shading ;)
*) There are lot of unnesrical black overlapsing pixels
there as for starts the biggest ones I spotted.
erik_t - February 10, 2010 02:36 PM (GMT)
gollevainen - February 10, 2010 02:37 PM (GMT)
But i actually spend time on gazing that picture in Paint ;)
the_ed17 - February 11, 2010 06:28 AM (GMT)
Hey, one of my friends on Wikipedia worked on the article for this ship class. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ersatz_Yorck_...s_battlecruiser
If you really need another line drawing, I should be able to get you in touch with him.
Ashley - February 11, 2010 08:00 AM (GMT)
|QUOTE (the_ed17 @ Feb 11 2010, 06:28 AM)|
| If you really need another line drawing, I should be able to get you in touch with him. |
Thanks a lot. Usable drawings were really hard to find, but I think I got all existing drawings available on the net.
Ashley - February 11, 2010 11:28 AM (GMT)
|QUOTE (gollevainen @ Feb 10 2010, 02:37 PM)|
| But i actually spend time on gazing that picture in Paint ;) |
...and that helps a lot.
Please tell me exactly what has to be done now. It will help me and others to improve their drawings.
Following the first advices I did some corrections:
-superstructures color is lighter now
-windows are revised
-complete ship is lighter now
-missing shadings added
-funnel more detaild (still looks somehow bulky, but that's the ship)
-overlapsing pixels? please show me
Ashley - February 11, 2010 11:41 AM (GMT)
The first thing I just found after uploading, the barbette of turret b contains a window. Don't know how it made it there.
I could imagine windows nearly everywhere but not at the heaviest armoured area.
Will be deleted with next version.
gollevainen - February 11, 2010 12:28 PM (GMT)
Do note that Im doing this only becouse you had guts to "demand" it ;)
Here are the biggest "mistakes" corrected...well atleast told how to correct them.
Ashley - February 12, 2010 01:05 PM (GMT)
|QUOTE (gollevainen @ Feb 11 2010, 12:28 PM)|
| Do note that Im doing this only becouse you had guts to "demand" it ;) |
Thanks again, that was very kind.
Until this one is ok, I'll do a 40s AU-version.
erik_t - February 12, 2010 04:21 PM (GMT)
Looking much much better. Usually the spaces directly belong long-base rangefinders were armored for the director crews, with the usual citadel viewing ports; do you know if these were present here? Also, are you certain about the location of the aft torpedo tubes? It's not obvious how they're not in exactly the path of the outboard shafts.
Ashley - February 17, 2010 12:29 PM (GMT)
And here comes 40s Yorck
-new rangefinders for heavy guns and flak
-casemat guns removed, turrets installed (not to sure about that)
-8.8 aa-guns removed, 10,5 aa in twin turrets installed
-some light aa-guns
-new atlantic bow
Comments & advices welcome.
Cybermax - February 17, 2010 01:42 PM (GMT)
I think that 2 Flak directors on each side would be enough. Other than that it looks great!
Ashley - February 17, 2010 01:58 PM (GMT)
|QUOTE (Cybermax @ Feb 17 2010, 01:42 PM)|
| I think that 2 Flak directors on each side would be enough. Other than that it looks great! |
I was thinking about that, but it's some kind of beauty factor
There are 3 15cm, 3 10cm, so I placed a third director in between.
But argh, I found some pixels left. Will remove them with the next revision.
MitcheLL300 - February 17, 2010 02:45 PM (GMT)
I would recommend to use the newer 3'' dual flak guns.
And good for using my tower, its the good style in that year (o project came from that time)
On the most inner guns the inside guns.
And on the most outside guns the outside guns.
And i quess you should use a single 5'' gun at the b spot.
Just like the scharnhorst class.http://www.shipbucket.com/images.php?dir=R...%201943%201.gif
*the smaller guns in the middle under the 3'' flak*
Ashley - February 17, 2010 03:25 PM (GMT)
At timeline it's placed between Scharnhorst class and Bismarck class. And it's just a refit of the superstructures, ok plus removing the casemat guns. The first O-class would have been to replace Yorck.
MitcheLL300 - February 17, 2010 04:15 PM (GMT)
|QUOTE (Ashley @ Feb 17 2010, 03:25 PM)|
| At timeline it's placed between Scharnhorst class and Bismarck class. And it's just a refit of the superstructures, ok plus removing the casemat guns. The first O-class would have been to replace Yorck. |
Bismarck's plan and gneisenhau's are from 1936 and before.
O project comes from 1941 if i aint wrong.
I ment the plan date actually, and start of ship build.
From when does your plan come?
Ashley - February 18, 2010 08:14 AM (GMT)
Mitch, I am not sure I understand your intention.
Please just take the drawing and do a 40s version how you think it should be.
Should take a few minutes only. I'd like to discuss it then further. ok?
I did not use the 15cm-singles just for building a bridge between Scharnhorst and Bismarck secondary armament. Using the singles would have placed the ship to near to Scharnhorst in my opinion.
After all, we're talking about a refit of a ship that didn't make it to a complete hull.
So it's all speculative.
I like it!
Ashley - March 19, 2010 03:01 PM (GMT)
and here the 1943s Yorck, with slightly more aa and northern camo, similiar to Tirpitz.
(sorry Mitch, still no 3"aa)