Everyone should go and look at the United States folder under Real Life to see how every drawing should be named. I have personally fixed all of these, and I waded through some of the other folders attempting to do so, but the discrepancies were vast and I don't have the time to fix everyone's laziness.

FROM NOW ON ALL FILES WILL BE NAMED CORRECTLY, or I will NOT upload them. I will just highlight the drawing and press Shift-Delete to erase it. RENAMING YOUR FILES IS A MONSTROUS PAIN IN THE ASS, especially when there are hundreds of them.

As time permits, I might go back through the archive and fix all of the problems with filenames, but probably not anytime soon. It's such a massively annoying problem and so many of you are so cavalier about filenames and the templates that it's quite maddening to deal with.

So, as a refresher:

1. If your drawing is of a SPECIFIC SHIP:

2. If your drawing is of a SPECIFIC SHIP, AND that ship is a CLASS LEADER:

3. If your drawing is of a CLASS OF SHIPS:

DO NOT USE UNDERSCORES (_), PARENTHESES, PERIODS (.), COMMAS (,), QUOTATION MARKS, SPECIAL CHARACTERS (accent marks etc). ONLY use hypens (-) to separate a HULL CODE and a PENNANT NUMBER ("DD-445"). Pennant numbers from foreign navies ("F-201", "D-201", etc) are acceptable and SHOULD BE USED. Project numbers should be used for Russian ships in place of the hull number if you are drawing a CLASS of ship.

DO NOT append a "1" to the end of the filename (eg, "DD-445 Fletcher 1.gif"), unless there is a corresponding "DD-445 Fletcher 2.gif" to go with the drawing that requires differentiation.

THIS IS NOT DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND.

Another word of advice:

PRESERVE THE FOLDER HIERARCHY when sending me drawings to upload. This means you should send me a folder with the following folders inside it:

Real Designs > United States of America > DD-445 Fletcher.gif

FAILURE TO PRESERVE THE FOLDER HIERARCHY WILL BREAK MY UPLOADING PROCESS. Do not name a folder "USA" instead of "United States of America". Look in the Real Designs section to see the folder names and COPY THEM DIRECTLY. This goes for every folder in the archive.

"Never Built Designs", NOT "Never wheres", "Never weres", "Never Build", etc.
"Alternate Universe", NOT "AU"
"Parts Sheets", NOT "Things that help drawing", "Planebucket", etc

So If I've a The Dutch Cruiser The Ruyter as example , It need to be CL Ruyter or NL CL Ruyter?

Country designation codes are no longer needed because each ship is under its own country's folder.

Just one question.
Where is the japanese, kumanu maru carrier under?

And if you upload files on tinypic, tinypic will change the name to things like 478fhdh846.png
Is that bad?

It never got into the zip. file, among many other that weren't completed for the uploading.

Well take a quess...

1st EDIT: Also, no dates on the file names. If you want to spesify the ship to belong into some era, do it in the credit chart.
2nd EDIT: Also, keen mind have propaply guessed that from now onwards, the uploading will happen by you guys sending similar folder that Colloseum descriped first to me,
Then Ill sort the non ready ones out and send the final picks to Colloseum who then do what he wants to do with them.

You're a numbnuts.

What do YOU think?

I've gotten really tired of dumbass questions. THINK before posting!

Sorry but you where the one that told me to use tinypic above imageshack.
So please read the question's mister admin.
Also you didnt said anything about the name's after upload.
Only before.
I name always my ships's file name's correct, but tinypic messes it up.
And most of the time dumb*s* imageshack sh**load website doesnt work.

I have NEVER said to use tinypic over Photobucket. In fact, I've never even suggested another image host other than Photobucket.

Stop giving me lip.

Are you trying to tell me that it's not your responsibility to rename your file if an image host website renames it? That's horse shit, and you need to shut the fuck up and just follow the rules.

Technical question: I use the IMG code to post my ships. Is that IMG code tied to the filename? If it is, I was guilty of putting the country code in my ship filenames.

Will adjust fire and get back on target.

IMG code has no bearing on filenames; the only thing that controls the filename is YOU. Unless you're using something that doesn't preserve filenames, like imageshack or tinypic.

Excuse me for my posible stupid questions, but I`m trying to understand.

The file name, is how we name a certain drawing at the moment of uploading it to photobucket ?

Another doubt, if we draw two versions of the same ship, for instance a sailing ship, one with the sails and the other only with the rigging, How must we name them ? , if actually they are the same vessel.
(with the numbers 1 and 2 respectively ? )

:unsure: :unsure: :)

(*post edited*)
Please don`t rename my future drawings, I really appreciate it, but I prefer to learn how to do it myself, or else I `ll always be a pain in the "buttocks" to others. ( :P ) If it never passes, well may that be my punishment for not knowing. Thanks my friends.

:) :) :)

Roger.

The root of the problem with file names is in the guidelines: 'File Names and Hull Classification Symbols', that were originally posted as part of 'Things that help drawing'. My last hard copy was printed in August 08, and since then, as far as I can find out, the only new directive has been to drop the country name from the front of the file name. So a lot of the things that have caused Colosseum grief are still in there: underscoring, periods, and 1 appended at the end. So, obviously, if we still have that document we need to shred it pronto.

The Hull classification symbols are, I'm assuming? USN? Its just that some of them seem odd; i.e. having a unique classification for just Canadian destroyers and frigates with helicopters (DDH & FFH) And having two classifications CA and CB for respectively Heavy and Large cruisers, with the Salem as the former and the Alaska as the later, but I note that Hood has opted for CA for his R.N. Counties, so I would be following suite. But if (as I suspect) these are navy classifications then we needn't be looking for simplicity ;).

Well, I'm o.k. with whatever our worthy leaders now specify - anything to get drawings archived :)

Now I must use Imagehost becuase my photobucket account is locked after they resize the limit to 500MB from 1GB. The big problem is that none host service preserve "space char" on file name.
This is the cause that I post the ZIP file with all the Real Design Italian folder!! But WHY were upload few draw made by Lazer and none by me :huh:
I fix all the name instead have a chaotic situation like now on Italian folder <_<

Why not? :huh: I think it's a good and easy solution instead "1" and "2". This solution is used for the first time by Colosseum when he rename my CG Doria that they had 1, 2.. with the date on the name :blink:

AND IS USED NOW on US folder the date ;)

for example

This is a elegant and simple solution for a simple filenaming but is good only for some nation the has and had a regolar hull classification like US Navy but is completly wrong for other nation like Italy that beginto use the pennant number only after the WW2.

The pennant on Regia Marina didn't exist before the 30s when on destroyer begin to use an 2 letter pennant like as PN for Pancaldo. Another strange situation is that Navigatori class receive the pennant only after 10 years of service
The cruiser, battleship and other class never had a pennant.

Without the CLASS_NAMEofVESSEL classification the Italian folder will be completly chaotic just now with only 4 class of destroyer (Dardo, Fulmine, Navigatori & Venti).

With alphabetical order (in parenthesis the year, class & pennant) we have:

DD DaMosto (1940, Navigatori, DM)
DD Dardo-1 (1931, Dardo, DR)
DD Dardo-2 (1940, Dardo, DR)
DD Dardo-3 (1942, Dardo, DR)
DD DaRecco (1950, Navigatori, DR)
DD Freccia (1932, Dardo, FR)
DD Folgore (1932, Folgore, FL)
DD Gregale-1 (1934, Maestrale)
DD Gregale-2 (1939, Maestrale, GR)
DD Gregale-3 (1943, Maestrale, GR)
DD Gregale-4 (1949, Maestrale, GR)
DD Gregale-5 (1958, Maestrale, 552)
DD Gregale-6 (1963, Maestrale)
DD Libecco (1941, Maestrale, LI)
DD Maestrale-1 (1934, Maestrale)
DD Maestrale-2 (1943, Maestrale, ML)
DD Malocello-1 (1942, Navigatori, MC)
DD Malocello-2 (1942, Navigatori, MC, with camouflage)
DD Pancaldo-1 (1928, Navigatori)
DD Pancaldo-2 (1930, Navigatori)
DD Pancaldo-3 (1932, Navigatori)
DD Pancaldo-4 (1942, Navigatori, PN)
DD Scirocco (1943, Maestrale, SC)
DD Usodimare (1940, Navigatori, US)
DD Vivaldi (1940, Navigatori, VI)



And with Pennant, some pennant like DR is used in different ship on different years:

DD-552 Gregale-5 (1958, Maestrale)
DD-DM DaMosto (1940, Navigatori)
DD-DR Dardo-1 (1931, Dardo )
DD-DR Dardo-2 (1940, Dardo)
DD-DR Dardo-3 (1942, Dardo)
DD-DR DaRecco (1950, Navigatori)
DD-FR Freccia (1932, Dardo)
DD-FL Folgore (1932, Folgore)
DD-GR Gregale-2 (1939, Maestrale)
DD-GR Gregale-3 (1943, Maestrale)
DD-GR Gregale-4 (1949, Maestrale)
DD Gregale-1 (1934, Maestrale)
DD Gregale-6 (1963, Maestrale)
DD-LI Libecco (1941, Maestrale)
DD-ML Maestrale-2 (1943, Maestrale)
DD Maestrale-1 (1934, Maestrale)
DD-MC Malocello-1 (1942, Navigatori)
DD-MC Malocello-2 (1942, Navigatori with camouflage)
DD Pancaldo-1 (1928, Navigatori)
DD Pancaldo-2 (1930, Navigatori)
DD Pancaldo-3 (1932, Navigatori)
DD-PN Pancaldo-4 (1942, Navigatori)
DD-SC Scirocco (1943, Maestrale)
DD-US Usodimare (1940, Navigatori)
DD-VI Vivaldi (1940, Navigatori)

They were classed destroyer but never as DD, it's only a correspondence with USN classification ;)


I can fix the Real Design Italian folder in few minute but only after we define very well the filenaming ;)

Your method is fine.

What I'm really going for here is NEATNESS more than anything else. Filenames in each folder don't necessarily have to match other folders, but they should make sense in their folders. So enrr's method would be fine.

I didn't particularly see anything wrong with using a date... hence why I didn't say anything against it. Dates should be used instead of numbers IF APPLICABLE.

I know You haven't nothing agaist the date but it is Golly that wan't the date

Maybe I don't explain very well my Idea :rolleyes: for Italian folder for resolve the Pennant problem of Regia Marina I prefere the vessel with this tidy filenaming:

DD Dardo_Dardo 1931 (DR)
DD Dardo_Dardo 1940 (DR)
DD Dardo_Dardo 1942 (DR)
DD Dardo_Freccia 1932 (FR)

DD Folgore 1932 (FL)

DD Maestrale_Gregale 1934
DD Maestrale_Gregale 1939
DD Maestrale_Gregale 1943
DD Maestrale_Gregale 1949
DD Maestrale_Gregale 1958
DD Maestrale_Gregale 1963
DD Maestrale_Libecco 1941
DD Maestrale_Maestrale 1934
DD Maestrale_Maestrale 1943
DD Maestrale_Scirocco 1943

DD Navigatori_DaMosto 1940
DD Navigatori_DaRecco 1950
DD Navigatori_Malocello 1942
DD Navigatori_Malocello 1942C (Camouflage)
DD Navigatori_Pancaldo 1928
DD Navigatori_Pancaldo 1930
DD Navigatori_Pancaldo 1932
DD Navigatori_Pancaldo 1942
DD Navigatori_Usodimare 1940
DD Navigatori_Vivaldi 1940

OK, that's fine... send me a folder with all of the Italian ships renamed properly and I'll upload it.

Good :D

This seems a good way forward: I could do the same for Australia? Maybe first posting the file names and if they scan o.k. I could send a folder with them all renamed?

Sure. Just make sure you rename EVERY drawing in the folder. That way I can just delete the entire folder that's on the website and then upload its replacement easily.

This would surely be a good time to back up the entire contents of the Real Designs folder, if you have not done so recently.

Colloseum, I sent to You the Italian folder ;)

MY EMAIL IS NOT EPCOLOSSEUM@HOTMAIL.COM

Send any zip files to: IBROBERTS@GMAIL.COM

Right. If I grok all this correctly, and also what Gollevainen is stating on his thread, I should first send to Gollevainen (as he specifies) a folder that will preserve the hierachy Real Designs > Australia > file names; so I should only be sending one such folder containing all the renamed files that currently exist in the archive: Real Designs/Australia. Then if Gollevainen verifies the file names as correct he will then send the folder on to Colosseum, who can then upload the replacement folder and delete the current one.

As to file names is appears acceptable to use the standard USN designation prefix, then class and/or ship name, with the drawing number at the end, but just a gap and no underscoring. I'll have a crack at this and send it to Gollevainen. I like the idea of getting folk to help sort out the file names; and, to send the future drawings in folders as per Colosseum's requirement.

Not a bad idea, the only problem is that in my case, I`ll have to go back to college to understand all that has been mentioned on the recent past posts, cause at this moment I don`t understand nothing at all ( :D ). I think as things are at the moment , that I`m going to be forced to deprive everybody of my future drawings. Well got to be possitive, I can still post my drawings here in the shipbucket for all of you, they`ll never get uploaded but, what the hell, it`s not the end of the world, yet....

:P :D :)

PB: You can send them directly to me. Gollevainen looks for style issues. But he had already approved the Australia folder that's currently on the website, so all we need is for the current drawings to be renamed and sent to me.

No worries cobber, I'll have a crack and send to you at the address you specified. The way I see it, is that it would be good practice, and it would help to see all the ships there with uniform file names.

Rickdog: hang in there amigo; you'll get the transmission I'm positive - hey! even I can grok some of this, and half my brain cells never regenerated after 1975 :blink:

Well thanks my friend, I was getting a little worried since nobody answered my doubts.
When time comes, I am going to be a pain for your buttocks then, asking probably the most basic questions, but , What can I say, that I haven`t already said before ?, if there is ever a synonim for computer lack of knowledge, well,..................., that would be , I guess,..... "Rickdog"( :lol: )

Thanks P.B.
:) :)

Rickdog: you crazy Chilean :) .

Lack of computer savvy is no liability in my book. just roll with the flow and emulate The Dude.

THe Dude (when asked what he does for recreation): "Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."

Anybody yet seen 'Men who stare at Goats'??? Looks like a Dude reprisal :D

I've gone through the Real Designs > Australia folder and copied all there to a new folder I've created named Australia. I then went through every file and changed to reflect the RAN (USN) ship designations provided by Colosseum. I tried emailing the folder to myself as a test; but Outlook will not allow the attached folder to be sent, the message I'm receiving is it that was blocked as unsafe and to check my email security.

So far I haven't found where I can overide these settings. I'm mentioning this because (from what I can understand) we will now be emailing Colosseum with folders in future upload sessions; so I'm thinking others may encounter the same problem? If anyone has any suggestions I would be grateful.

P.B
The folder itself should be compressed into a .zip file and sent. another way of doing it is the forum itself. Click on Colosseum's name and there you'll be able to e-mail or Pm directly (I did it like that)
Hope it was helpfull

Thanks Novice, I'll try that :) .

It seems to have worked; at least I found out how to create a zip file: right click, then 'send to'. then I just did the same on the zip file and selected mail recipient and the address Colosseum posted.

At least now I'll know how to do it in future for new stuff; I sort of stumbled on it through serendipity :rolleyes:

I remember somewhere a link to a list giving the ship type (CA, CB,...)

(I need to understand how name a 1880 "protected cruiser" )

Please submit it again - Thanks

Lazer_ ;) ne

Here's a link.
Not sure it's the one you want though.

Here's a link