gallery judging, need input from all judges please

alot of guys have been asking me in recent times what judges look for in gallery cars that makes them great


so i want a little explanation in the following terms-

stereo or mono
tonality
overall loudness
sub bass
bass
midbass
upper midbass
midrange
upper midrange
hights
overall musical reproduction
obscenities (what word exactly/phrases)

if all the terms can be answered, as well as with what a judge looks for personally, that will be well appreciated

also, in terms of cosmetics, do you all judge based on that?


is there a point system, and how is it implemented?

eg- clarity 6/10

and lastly, is the cost of music important, i mean, does using bess equipment have an effect on judge scoring?







the reason for this, is to offer a general insite to what judging is all about, what you guys look for and to give the average guy an appreciation for the judges instead of booing them.

i'm hoping this opens eyes to all competitors and helps them to understand what judges in shows look for

thanks all for you future input

will also like to hear the comments of regular users, and competitors alike, so suggestions can be made for the betterment of all people in the carshow industry

also, i don't appricate the conversation going into spam,any spam will be deleted, and constructive input is nessary thanks all

and b4 i forget, this related to the judged part of the show , not crowdpleaser



also, sq guys from isaca, i want you all also to make a little input to hel the gallery guys understand what a great, clean and loud sounding system should be like

i wish to save my contributions till the majority answers.

of d reg ppl on this site only riad \ casper \ lon r carshow judges & r qualified to answer this (black primera judges 4 SW shows so he cud answer too if he is online)






*so imma delete yall post & let these ppl handle it ...

currently

we go by ear

clarity and tonality plays a big part and accounts for half of the points awarded,
loudness accounts for 1/4 of the points
dispersion and coverage/directivity accounts for the other 1/4 of the points.

This is currently how i judge until we put a format down on paper. This new format that me and casper are currently working on might be implemented for the national finals.
Lon/BP u all can get in on this too so we could have a standard judging format at all shows.

WRT what u asked SSC

cost and cosmetics doesn't count..men running DD's and men running pioneer get the same treatment.

stereo or mono - doesn't count...it's gallery
tonality - covers the entire spectrum, system should be pleasing to the ear and sound well balanced. Proper low midrange support and clarity plays a big part here

overall loudness - WRT bassline midrange and heights...we look for loud with clarity and coverage levels of distortion noticed will change the result.

sub bass
bass
midbass
upper midbass
midrange
upper midrange
hights
all covered by music reproduction and tonality

WRT obscenities....whatever is not allowed in the general media is NOT allowed in car shows. We do make some exceptions tho.

what are these exceptions?

but isn't stereo a big part of sq?, with reguards to overal coverage?

very well noted^^

these exceptions will be words like

ni**a
bit*h
hoe

etc etc


yes stereo plays a big part in SQ but almost all CP vehicles have mono midrange setups.

so will points be given for a stereo setup?

it all comes down to how it sounds...

if the stereo effect makes it sound any better than the mono effect then it will count towards the end result

does any of d loud gallery vehicles have their mids\highs in stereo ? - i highly doubt ....

very very few^^


anyone else?

could someone correctly tell if the music is in stereo? after all mids are pointed in all directions and i find judges dont spend enough times in front of the car...they stand on side and walk around to the other side so stereo doh matter.....So Riad..you guys judge on discretion?

currently thats how everyone judges..

it's totally by ear..


as i said before we are working on a judging format with specific sections and scoresheets, this will come into full effect once we finalize it.

cosmetics, we dont deal with that, all we look for is the overall sound of the vehicle.

what i look for is the most balanced well tuned install where mids match bass and highs match mids in the respective frequency area, there are some guys who enter and their music is loud cause they are on a high level of distortion, now doh get me wrong, distortion isnt just music screaming, its somn some of us consider as loudness and once they get that they good to go.....

next carshow u all go to, check somn, the cleaner a system sounds, it sounds at a lower volume as all the others..... but at the end of the day, even if a man sounds unsatisfactory, if he sounds better than his opponent, hes the winner no matter how bad it sound to a judge

as for who runng stereo still, i still do but i use 4 channel amps for mids, so when i bridge, i still get a left and right channel.

infinite rpm, allyuh fellas in music all the time and u go say somn like that? yuh make me laugh real hard jed. U stand up directly in front of a car and tell me what u hear, then go to all sides and angle of the vehicle and tell me different..... 95% of the competitors request that the judge walk around the vehicle. to get true response from their systems

as for telling if a system plays at mono or stereo, remember, there are certain enhancements in a song that u dont get reproduction on both channels cause all studio instruments (guitars, microphones, keyboards etc.) made to create music are monaural. i used to work in a production studio as a sound engineer and ive listened to some systems out there, and half of the song's instruments are missing cause ppl bridge 2 channel amps and make it mono. anytime u go to play a cd in your car system, especially compe, play it in a home stereo first and youll see what im talking abt. any of you who agree with what im saying here, please say

giving points for each aspect of a competition, that may be a havoc, cause no two ppl will have the same judgement in terms of rating a man out of 5 or even 10, one might be easier to please, or harder.

this system is meant for use by a panel of 2 or more judges

cost and cosmetics doesn't count..men running DD's and men running pioneer get the same treatment.

stereo or mono - doesn't count...it's gallery
tonality - covers the entire spectrum, system should be pleasing to the ear and sound well balanced. Proper low midrange support and clarity plays a big part here

overall loudness - WRT bassline midrange and heights...we look for loud with clarity and coverage levels of distortion noticed will change the result.

sub bass
bass
midbass
upper midbass
midrange
upper midrange
hights
all covered by music reproduction and tonality

WRT obscenities....whatever is not allowed in the general media is NOT allowed in car shows. We do make some exceptions tho.

i totally agree with u guys cause right now i guess most judges
do it by ears i support the point system i think once it gets o f the
ground all judges should put the point system in place

What about engine noise?. 90% of the cars have engine noise!

anyone else?, would love to hear from streetwise(besides bassmekanix),and other promoters

next thing, from all the opinions stated, can a direct set of a pointing system be used now?



also, what judges, in this case how many should be used?

engine noise is only heard when a system is played at low volume...

what we're really interested in hearing is the system at high volume.

yea we are currently working on the points system,

it can be used by any amount of judges....prefferably 2 and more.