Issues For Discussion

We were discussing the subject on Skype (did you know Sher can be productive ON DEMAND?) and a thread was mentioned and seemed appropriate. Mostly because Sher's sex life came up as a subject for debate and it was a convenient excuse for me to GTFO that conversation matter.

What are your complaints and/or issues? Anything needing improving? Anything the rest of us are doing that pisses you off that we need to stop?

Note to all those who post here: My sex life is *not* up for discussion. (And I can be productive when I need to be. It is not often I lighten up and stop being a pain in everyone's shebs.)

That said. There are some serious issues which need addressing. One, for instance, would be that I feel like we aren't being taken seriously, nor are some of us taking ourselves seriously. I feel like there's babymandoness (Kal, love the term) going on.

THAT WAS NOT WHAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO POST.

Good luck, I'm pretty sure Brok and myself have been fighting against the immaturity (sexual comments included)for a while. At best, you can hope for it to stop for a few days.

Good luck, I'm pretty sure Brok and myself have been fighting against the immaturity (sexual comments included)for a while. At best, you can hope for it to stop for a few days.

GET. ON. SKYPE.

I am in class. I will be on in an hour and a half

Holy fuck...

What?

I visit this thread, and that was my impression.

*face palm* there are too many issues for me to think of right now

ok where to start where to start hmmm lets see the baby mandos, the off topicness, (which things spicy) the emoness of some mandos, the assholeisim of others, the missing reply to post link, sol'alor's account name because hes not the high clam lord and it gives an impression to the n00bs that we are like sw mandos WE ARE NOT! the 60 post an hour limit on the shoutbox i mean come on its only 6 bucks for 3 months premium. the number of people with accounts that dont use them, the wannabe jango boba candorus acts, the ooo look at me im soooo cool i kill things kind of people, the board itself is linked to a site that hasn't been updated in ages, the power crazy admin's the fact that ppl keep coming up with unrealistic ideas like Wyoming and the Philippines, the idea that some vode make us look bad by scaming on other sites *cough cough* and dont get me started on the oooooo we need a mand'alor bullshit we will not have a mand'alor because we are not an army and the fools who think so need to recheck themselves and get a life, also the fact that some new fag mando's decide to call everyone vode we are not your brothers or your sisters n00b not untell we get to know you untell then you are a stranger im being very direct and to the point these things need to change on this board or i suggest a new board be created with accounts for every *real* mando and we put this old dog down. now thats enough ranting from me for today i need a beer.........

So I'm mostly keeping out of thinks like this when I'm new on a board but as I read this there was one thing I had to reply too, because yeah in my view it isn't very appropriate for a Mando'ade.

Nop, not the thing about the noobs (since I'm one myself ^^) and the vode calling and stuff, but the little word with three letters between new and mando's. You got it, I mean fag. Why I think a Mando shouldn't use it? Well because Mandos are tolerant and don't give a osik about what gender other people like it only counts, that you are a good parent, warrior and all the rest from the Resol'Nare. So shabla stop harassing people about what gender they like or what colour they are or what so ever. It's all the same and a Mando shouldn't use terms like that. If you want to make some rude comments about noobs (like me) stick with the good old di'kut stuff.
And anyway, I think not only Mandos shouldn't use insults like this but every being should stop the god damn harassment, name calling and bullying. If you feel the urge to insult other people because they are different then you I would advise them to get a god damn <b>life</b> of there own!

So, now I'm gonna watch the rest of the discussion and trying to keep my noob mouth shut as long as I can ;)
Oh and if anyone wants to insult etc. me of what I said, feel free to do it if you are intolerant enough but I'm not going to take it ;)
Shuting up now.

it was not ment as an insult to new vode its that alot of poser vode come and go and it rly pisses me off

Yeah but it was meant as an insult non the less and is what I have a problem with. If most of the people aren't able to do it I think at least we Mandos should be able to stop insulting people who happen to preffer the same gender or who are how so ever different from us or insult people by calling them this. Gay isn't a damn insult (and fag neither). Isn't very mandokarla or am I wrong about it. So stop insulting people for being different and start insulting them as/because they're idiots.

See, I just can't my mouth shut.
(Did anyone even understand the thing I wrote? o.O)

*facepalm* O_O you've never heard the term newfag before.......wow i wasnt insulting n00bs

huh, any problem with what I'm saying? Am I talking total nonsense, what wouldn't be to out of hand if regarding my momentary lack of sanety and sleep? Anyway I would be interested in what made you *facepalm* but would consider we should talk on via PM cause this isn't the right place I think.
Oh and if I get something wrong, just point it out to me, remember no native english speaker.

Good night now. You may be happy to hear that you don't have to deal with me again until tomorrow ;)

i sent you a pm now for everyone else lets get back to those issues i brought up

Waadasla pretty much summed up my opinion. We use vod to openly on the forum, which is why I stopped saying it. Vod is meant to be used for people you really feel a strong bond to, if you just go calling anyone on the forum ner vod, you mind as well just walk up to some guy on the street and say "good morning brother" and give him a hug and all that and expect to have that kind of bond. I'm not saying we shouldn't use it, just not so openly.

Who cares what sol'alor's name is or means, he isn't the top dog here and if some new guy thinks he is we can just clarify it.

I won't go on about the rest of the stuff.

As a note, I mean no insult by this post, but it's hard to explain a term without using the term. Let's all be mature and accept that.

Cabur, Waa, cool it. Waa, if I can manage to adjust my language to the setting, so can you. Cabur, you're misunderstanding the word because you're not familiar with the term.

That's a commonly used term online to denote someone new or unfamiliar with the current...whatever. Situation, surroundings, etc. It has nothing to do with gays. I have multiple gay friends, people I care deeply about, that use the term themselves. I use the term regularly, and I'm bisexual. The suffix "-fag" is Anonymous slang for person. A newfag is a new person. A britfag is a British person. A bayfag is someone from the San Francisco Bay area. Personally, I'm a CWfag, someone from Clearwater, which is often abbreviated to "CW". A policefag is the person in an organization that's responsible for contacting the police when the organization is holding an event. A scifag is a Scientologist. To namefag someone is to identify a person by name. Similar for facefag. I've even seen people refer to themselves as gayfag or fagfag before. I'm guessing you're probably not familiar with Anonymous; I've been with them for longer than Waadasla has by far, and I assure you, the term has *nothing* to do with gays, and in all the times I've heard the word newfag said, it has never been as an insult to gays. You know how certain black people use the n word a fair bit without it being an insult? It's the same thing. Anons take a very open approach to offense. In fact, they take a very TOLERANT approach. Very little is ever intended as or taken as an insult, and repeated use of the word (and trust me, we've used it a lot) has stripped the stigma from it. Did you know for a long time in the past the word it's short for was and is an actual british unit of measurement? For example, a faggot of wood. I think it's roughly the same size as a bushel, but I don't know.

That being said, Waa, you should know better than to use that term for new member around nonAnons.

Cabur, my point is...it wasn't an insult. It wasn't used in anything approaching a homophobic context, and the only possible insult I could strip out of it was perhaps a lack of respect for new members, as "newfag" can often be in context a negative term, like "n00b". I understand fully why you might dislike the fact that Waadasla used it, I do, but I also have to ask that you be understanding and take it in the usage it was intended. If it still bothers you and you'd like to discuss the subject further, feel free to PM or IM me, but I'll let this thing get back on track now.

I've been bitching about that vode thing for months and got no where.

Cabur, by the way, life is full of naughty and mean words.

i appologise for my use of language i tend to forget where i am at times.

And Cabur, If you see a lot of insults on here, (usually directed at Daj') its all for fun man. We tend to joke a lot.

please don't tempt me to list them all daj :bonk:

As I already said in the PM to waadasla: I'm sorry for missunderstaing. I only know this term used as an insult for gay people and as especially the guys here are always making fun, harassing etc. I have a short fuse about it. So, sorry for acting up so much. Didn't mean to offend anybody. And thanks for taking the time and giving me a proper explanation Kalira.
Great sorry to everyone.

@Dajin'ika and Ontos: I have no problem with "bad words" at all but about this terms I'm probably a little bit overreacting because I know who anyoing and staggering it can be especially from good friends. So I'm a little bit touchy about it. But when I get to know people better and know that they're only joking I'm way more relaxed about it. It's just my bad experience with some of the guys around here that let's me assume the worst.

So one final sorry for alle the trouble I caused, I know better now and I'm trying to not jump to conclusion immediatly.
N'eparavu takisit.

Okay, to actually respond to Waa's post...

Mine would be the babymandos, the out of date, unupdated, not-group-written, and generally unattractive entrance website, irregular activity among some of the forum members -- let's face it, sometimes they've got a valid reason...and sometimes they're lazy -- as Waa put it, "the wannabe jango boba candorus acts" holy cow do I ever agree with that one, less the fact that people keep coming up with stupid or unrealistic Wyoming ideas and more that the babymandos et al actually think that's necessary to be a mando or a desirable primary goal for a mando or whatever, heck, the idea that we "need" to do anything at all, we don't need to do anything to be mandos except be mandos, not make a private army or move to a commune or some stupid osik like that, and the deepseated obsession with playing nice. We're mandos, we don't pull punches and we don't avoid saying the truth because it might hurt someone's feelings. Sometimes if an idea is stupid and crazy, you just need to be able to go "That's a stupid idea, are you crazy?" The way to avoid doing stupid and crazy things as a group is to call people on it when stupid and crazy things get suggested. (tangent) For example: Sol, I don't give an osik at all if you feel like moving to the Philippines but the the idea of bringing Mando'ade there in force and living in abandoned barracks buildings is stupid, unrealistic, and highly unlikely to ever be even remotely successful, and regarding the "converting the natives" bit, just because your religion preaches the importance of evangelical missionaries doesn't make the compulsive need to recruit a Mandalorian value -- in fact, I would argue that the very concept of active recruiting is at direct odds with Mando'ade, who as far as I've ever seen take the Jewish approach; that is, not recruiting at all. I find the entire Philippines idea, like the Wyoming idea before it and any hundreds of stupid ideas before it to be a massive waste of time and energy that could be and SHOULD BE spent elsewhere, where it's actually needed -- and there are areas it IS needed, badly. (/tangent) And back on subject, if you can't handle someone criticizing your idea or statement or argument you shouldn't make it at all. Are we mandos or mice, here? Stupidity negatively affects our success, however you measure success, and tolerating avoidable idiocy like questions that have been asked a thousand times or behaviors that interfere with our ability to follow the Resol'Nare is simply self-destructive.

So a summarized list would be stupid people, stupid ideas, stupid actions, lazy people, RARRGHRARRGHRARRGHMARS, stupid naming conventions, and more stupid people.