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HomelessGal
Posted: Jul 23 2009, 12:36 AM


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The manga has begun publication, so let's kick off the official thread with the first chapter's summary.

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Translations (mine, corrections are more than welcome). These are translated from the summaries of /m/ and kouryakukan, I merged them:

Title: Awakening.

Leif is a boy who has the same 0026 type base sequence pattern as Ribbons, with registration number 08368-SA846. He, who has the same outward appearance as Ribbons, is 18 years old.

Leif who lived as a human being one day woke up as an Innovaoid. However Leif himself doesn’t know why he was elected to be awakened by Veda. As he is switched into a new mission, the required data is downloaded into him. The subject of the mission that is given to him is “The selection of 6 Innovaoids”. For the purpose of accomplishing the mission, the ability to identify between Innovaoids and humans was added to him. Even though it is just the addressee’s image, even if the person himself is not projected, it is okay. For example, in the case that he sees an Innovaoid who is inside an MS on TV, far from seeing the face of the pilot, he can know up to his name.

Leif awakes to Dr. Telicyra who previously belonged to "Doctors Without Borders". The teachers he had during this time have all gone missing. He is 40 years old, but he looks young because Innovaoids don't age. Telicyra’s ability is the power of awakening of Innovaoids. And then furthermore, on meeting with Earth Federation Force MS pilot Innovaoid Flinch, Flich is shot to death before Leif's very eyes. Furthermore, in every place they go around, the Innovaoid that his associate awakens is shot to death before his very eyes.

The killer of the Innovaoids is certainly another Innovaoid. He is named Lars Grise, and he is an Innovaoid whose left eye is artificial. From here, the enigmatic Lars attacks. Lars who killed an Innovaoid sheds tears of blood as he screams.

To be continued in the next issue.

I have no comment.
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Posted: Jul 23 2009, 07:22 AM


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...Wow. I'll wait till I see the images but my views probably aren't that different from Homeless. At first glance, I wonder if this is some plan of Ribbons to remove Innovado. But then we've been told anyway that they are killed off when the lack of ageing becomes too obvious. So in theory this could be a fairly decent story about the plight of the Innovados.
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Posted: Jul 23 2009, 03:25 PM


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Not enough has happened for me to have much to judge about it. It probably would be most successful if it focused on the identity crisis stuff. That was a big part of what made Tieria interesting.
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Posted: Jul 23 2009, 03:58 PM


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the ability to identify between Innovaoids and humans was added to him


Does this mean that I'm an Innovaoid? Because I find it fairly easy to be able to identify between Innovaoids and humans too! I just don't have the "name recognition" abilities that Leif has been granted, eh? wink.gif

Jokes aside, I still need to see more of this to be able to identify whether I'm interested in this side story or not. Seems interesting, but I still think the whole "Veda got Hacked, so we don't know what's "legit" and what's an actual Veda Scheme" problem plauges the effectiveness of this.
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But then again, supposedly, Veda is never wrong, and simply uses the most advantageous way of completing its directive...
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QUOTE (EinhanderAstreaMk.I @ Jul 23 2009, 08:56 PM)
But then again, supposedly, Veda is never wrong, and simply uses the most advantageous way of completing its directive...

Unless Veda is being controlled/manipulated
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QUOTE (Bazookafied @ Jul 24 2009, 10:06 AM)
QUOTE (EinhanderAstreaMk.I @ Jul 23 2009, 08:56 PM)
But then again, supposedly, Veda is never wrong, and simply uses the most advantageous way of completing its directive...

Unless Veda is being controlled/manipulated

lol

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QUOTE (mike_s_6)
From Gundam Ace October 2009
http://blog.goo.ne.jp/kouryakukan/e/...0190a332ba7728

In this chapter, one of the Meisters, Hallelujah (Allelujah) appears.

The title is #I02 “Hunter”

The story starts 124 years ago on earth. Lars and his wife were viewing the news about the probe that left for Jupiter in a room. It is said that Lars’ friend is also in the Jupiter probe ship. Lars views the film with a complicated expression. His wife (She resembles Anew. The reason is stated later by the Doctor) says to him, “It’s alright. Don’t feel lonesome. You have me,” and tightly embraces him. “I promise. Our child, and I, will always be beside you. You are not alone.” At the adjoining room, their daughter who sleeps looks at the two. The reminiscing scene changed, and in the heavy rain, Lars is shouting. On his arms is the dead body of his wife with a knife thrust into her chest.

The flashback ended and it is back to AD2312.
Leif looks at the images of the army, searching for his comrades [I believe this is in reference to the 6 he has to look for in his mission], but found no one. The purpose is that in case they are to fight an enemy mobile suit, they need to be sure that one of their own is capable of fighting. Through the Doctor’s treatment, fortunately the life of Buryun [spelling?], who was shot by Lars, was saved. However, whether his ability to carry out his mission still remains even when his head was shot, is not yet known.

At about that time, Lars, who had a rifle, muttered in the forest, “A false person…”

The scene goes back, and Leif and the Doctor continues their conversation. The two continued to talk about Innovades. The Doctor says that, “The Innovades are built very well.” If you look at the physiology of Innovades, there is nothing that is inferior to humans. They are made using human genes, and the humans who furnished the genes, from whom they are modeled, are important. [ahahaha Beatrice, Didier come here darlings]

Because the Innovades do not age, their life as a human in human society is also limited. It is up to 10 years before Veda orders them to “Return”. However, the Doctor stayed with society up to about 20 years. The Doctor says, “Perhaps because I became too famous as a doctor, that it was hard for Veda to tell me to ‘Return’.”

Leif also talks. “It seems that for children like Buryun, ‘Return’ is also fast.” The Doctor retorts, “In the situation that a household contains a child, all members are Innovades.”

“It’s sad, isn’t it. The memory of the child who was made to return is deleted…” The Doctor objects to Leif who was sighing. “That depends on how you look at it. Certainly upon Veda’s command, our memories are deleted. It is the same as the death of the personality. However, the person is not biologically dead. Once more, upon the download of a new personality, they are restored to society as a different person.”

Leif cries, “That is also very sad! My previous memories – My family and friends, were all lies!”

After a moment of silence, the Doctor also replied again. “But the memories personally lived in this society are genuine. And the various encounters too. I want to value those such things.” Leif frailly agrees.

A short time after that, Leif finished the army image validation work. But he didn’t find his comrades there. While Leif was working, the Doctor confirmed Lars’ true character by accessing Veda. He is “Lars Grise”. From year AD2185 up to the present time, he has been living with the human society for about 130 years. But his information upload to Veda has been cut off for several years, and as it is, his link is also suspended. However, Veda continues to follow Lars by an external surveillance. The behavior he took is that of an “Innovade Hunter”. He continues to kill Innovades only for more than 100 years, and up to now has killed several hundreds of Innovades. Because of Veda’s intervention, he has never been caught as a mass murderer. Because among the victims there are many that have the same outward appearance, Veda deals with the data and falsifies it.

Leif replies that there are two posibilities to be considered from this information. Either Lars as an Innovade Hunter is not related to the 6 comrades he is looking for. Or he is related to it, and he hasn’t been successful in finding the 6 comrades because of what he has been doing for more than 100 years. Now, Leif and gang, regarding that mission…

At that time, the Doctor’s cellphone rang. Buryun has disappeared from the sickroom. How can he do so, when he’s not supposed to be able to move on his own?

A young girl is in a gloomy room. Wearing a gothloli style attire and sitting on a chair, the young girl (Sondheim) addresses the whole world using QBW. “Anyone… Isn’t anyone here? Please answer.” There was a person who replied to her voice. “Who is it? The guy with the big voice is…” the Federation Army imprisoned “Hallelujah” replies.

“Y-you can’t move can you? Just like me.” Allelujah (Hallelujah)’s imprisonment establishment is reflected.
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Posted: Aug 23 2009, 03:10 AM


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I'm mixed on this. I like the elements on the plight of the Innovades, but as usual it's the wacky Chiba elements that turned me off. If I wanted tortured goth loli, I'd read Rozen Maiden.
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I'm cautiously optimistic, this is pretty interesting. I'm not exactly in love with Sondheim's character design myself, but the obvious parallel to Soma/Marie provokes my sympathy.

I am left wondering what Leif's big mission is. There's a reason he's looking for this team of six, no? I hope 00I is going to answer that, and not just settle for Leif getting this team together.
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HomelessGal
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Disheartening to see them already dragging in an anime cameo, since that never seems to work out in a satisfactory manner for them.

If nothing else I suppose the manga helps to further paint Veda/Celestial Being in a negative light given the greater focus on their having a custom-built slave race to be used and abused at the super computer's whim.
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Yeah, that really makes me wonder if 00I is intended to tie into the movie somehow because of that. A bunch of angry Innovades would make very credible characters and/or antagonists .
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QUOTE (mike_s_6)
Gundam Ace November 2009
http://blog.goo.ne.jp/kouryakukan/e/011d1f...6f6392acda86ec5
The title is #I 03 “Doctor”

The story starts with a flashback at AD2290, 20 years ago. In those days, Telicyra was with Moreno, performing medical treatments in various places. From Moreno, he received the teaching, “There is a heart inside a person. That’s why a person can not cure someone who is not a person.” Two years after this, Moreno went missing.

Buryun’s parents, who are worried about where she is, visited Telicyra. Regarding their actions, Rave asked, “Is their worry of Buryun also programmed inside them? Or does it come from love?”

At this question, Telicyra remembered the words of Moreno. “There is a heart inside you. I have one too. In that case, the other Innovades also have it.” [I don’t think Moreno is an Innovade, he’s just saying that Innovades have hearts, just like humans.]

At about this time, Buryun who was in captivity called out to Hallelujah using QBW. Hallelujah, who was talking to her in trying to kill time, in an instant broke off his QBW. The doctor who created the Trinity siblings, Dr. Clay Lihichyte [spelling…], extracted Buryun’s blood.
“Help me!”
Buryun’s QBW resonated in Leif’s and Telicyra’s brains. The voice also reached the Innovade hunter Lars.

Relying on her voice, Leif and Telicyra struggled on to get to her. In front of them was a doll-like figure of a girl. It was a girl who was in a lethargic state because of the large amount of blood drawn from her. In front of her, Doctor Clay appears. Leif asks where Buryun is, and Doctor Clay sneers, “Couldn’t the person you’re looking for be the one right in front of you?” The one dressed up as a girl was Buryun.

Dr. Clay knew that the blood of the Innovades contained nanomachines that made them eternally young. He says that he wants to implement a blood transfusion that can make humans eternally young too. When he turned his gun to them, in an instant, moving as a battle type Innovade, Leif restrained Dr. Clay.

Following the Doctor’s idea [Telicyra], they leave the place without killing Doctor Clay. But after a while, someone blasted the place of Doctor Clay. At about the same time, Allelujah was liberated from the prison institution by CB [blogger’s comment: S2 Episode 3].
“Oh God, bring death to these fake humans. And then their spirits will be at peace!” exclaimed Lars. His right eye and gun was connected by a thin cord [code?]. To be continued.

Uh...
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Posted: Sep 24 2009, 01:42 PM


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So wait, Sondheim was Buryun dressed up? Uh, okay then.

I wonder who killed Dr. Clay.
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