Title: 00V Senki Mission 17 "Dominions"
Description: Information and Discussion
Homeless - March 23, 2011 03:01 PM (GMT)
Untranslated summary:
http://blog.goo.ne.jp/kouryakukan/e/12355f...ec2e78547ad6340Looks like Kouryakukan says this is the final chapter.
It seems to be set during the whole Innovator conflict, and focuses on the CB-002/GD Raphael Gundam Dominions that appears before Amy. It is a ....land combat variant? lol
Maybe more of an "on earth" variant.
Homeless - March 23, 2011 03:03 PM (GMT)
CB-002/GD Raphael Gundam Dominions
Information and Discussion
| QUOTE (Armament) |
| GN Bazooka x3 |
Strike Albion - March 23, 2011 03:58 PM (GMT)
That does seem rather fake-ish. Though I have a lot of hope for this chapter.
Homeless - March 23, 2011 04:10 PM (GMT)
Strike Albion - March 23, 2011 04:14 PM (GMT)
Same here to be honest. Then again I'm biased to Federation units vs anyone elses. I can't believe it has the Virtue's GN Bazooka as a (single) hand-held weapon.
Here's hoping the information concerning the Innovator War makes up for the disappointment of no GN-XV.
Homeless - March 23, 2011 04:16 PM (GMT)
It is kind of amusing that this is effectively how a lot of people wanted Raphael and Seravee II to function to begin with.
Strike Albion - March 23, 2011 04:24 PM (GMT)
Yeah it is. It'd have be better to have put that in the movie and give us the GN-XV instead. :P
It'd look better if it didn't just looked like an actual variant but to me it just looks like someone decided to slap a Full Armor kit onto the Raphael a la 0 Gundam.
Homeless - March 23, 2011 04:26 PM (GMT)
Observations from a friend:
-"apparently the backpack is called Sera and is capable of some independent function".
-"...I think it might say that the handheld bazooka actually has its own solar furnace."
Strike Albion - March 23, 2011 04:36 PM (GMT)
A GN Bazooka with its own Solar Furance? That's a new one. Can't get that many shots out of it I imagine given a Tau Drive only has a certain particle limit.
That being said, I take it this Raphael is also Tau Drive-powered, right?
rocawarde - March 23, 2011 05:13 PM (GMT)
Aw man I really hope this isn't finale chapter, we may never see the 00V Harute and Zabanya. :(
I got to admit this Raphael Gundam Dominions look pretty slap-together
Really broke down the pieces of Seravee Gundam II and hot-glued them all over Raphael. <_< But that handheld bazooka is pretty kool.
O well, maybe we'll get lucky and they make another 00V book adding variants of Harute, Zabanya, and Braves
Strike Albion - March 23, 2011 05:56 PM (GMT)
I've only just noticed the "GN Big Claws" are wrapped around the legs of this Raphael. Having had some time to think about I can now say I'm really disappointed in this Raphael variant, there's so many more ways they could have taken it like giving it some sort of cool Veda/QBW-controlled units like the Seravee 3G or maybe give it some more GNZ- or CB-Series influences - Reborns Raphael anyone? :P
I noticed straight away the ELS are mentioned in its profile so maybe it's profile will make up for the lack of a good quality MS. I'm already beginning to have fears the information on the Innovator War may not shred as much as we hope.
And I'm with you rocawarde, I hope they produce some new 00V so we can get variations. Like I said I'd love to see the GN-XV or maybe some other GNX-Model. Though I have serious doubts that a new 00V would be produced.
With the end of 00V Senki and 00N the 00 series comes to a close I guess *sigh*.
Homeless - March 23, 2011 07:31 PM (GMT)
Pretty much every Gundam-based 00V has been mediocre to terrible, so I can't cry too much over the lack of Harute and Zabanya entries.
| QUOTE (Strike Albion) |
| That being said, I take it this Raphael is also Tau Drive-powered, right? |
*Shrug*
I imagine the header image will have Dominions helpfully spraying particles of one color or another.
rocawarde - March 23, 2011 07:40 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Strike Albion @ Mar 23 2011, 11:56 AM) |
I'm really disappointed in this Raphael variant, there's so many more ways they could have taken it like giving it some sort of cool Veda/QBW-controlled units like the Seravee 3G or maybe give it some more GNZ- or CB-Series influences - Reborns Raphael anyone? :P
With the end of 00V Senki and 00N the 00 series comes to a close I guess *sigh*. |
I know what you mean Strike Albion, actually there was this fake pic floating around that gear to the CB-influences:
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae290/r...Aadraw10124.jpgI guess this really does signal the end of 00......Atleast give us the lineart of ELS Qan-T lol
EinhanderAstreaMk.I - March 23, 2011 08:06 PM (GMT)
You know, as much as I want a 00V of Harute and Zabanya (and of the BRAVES/GN-XV), I'm not sure if their pilots stuck with CB long enough to bring about the end of the Old Human/Innovator War.
It's quite possible that they did, though that makes Alle and Marie getting out of their machine just one of being symbolic (and needing a break in space from the confined interior of the cockpit). And this includes Lyle and his Haros, if they did leave Zabanya as well (can't be bothered to check ATM).
Personally, I hope there's one more chapter, featuring the GN-XV and any remaining variants (with a cameo of ELS Quanta in a wishful final 00N chapter), along with more detail over the War and how it ends, before the curtains fall and Gundam 00 ends...
For now.
(Hopefully; somewhat.)
Homeless - March 23, 2011 09:52 PM (GMT)
Should I ask how Alle/Marie fleeing their ELS-infested unit and Lockon exiting the remains of Zabanya after the fighting had ended is evidence of their retiring from Celestial Being?
CB isn't against reassigning machines, anyway; see Cherudim and Arios being given to Fereshte and whatnot.
As for 00N and the ELS 00Q, well...
rocawarde - March 23, 2011 10:44 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Homeless @ Mar 23 2011, 03:52 PM) |
Should I ask how Alle/Marie fleeing their ELS-infested unit and Lockon exiting the remains of Zabanya after the fighting had ended is evidence of their retiring from Celestial Being?
CB isn't against reassigning machines, anyway; see Cherudim and Arios being given to Fereshte and whatnot.
As for 00N and the ELS 00Q, well... |
True, I wouldn't be surprise if they just retired and didn't bother to have variant design for Harute and Zabanya. Guess that just my wishful thinking. But, this Innovator War sounds good. They just need to give us the names of the opposing factions.
SonicSP - March 23, 2011 10:46 PM (GMT)
Zabanya and Harute by themselves can pass for MSV designs due to their heavy equipment. Raphael falls less into that category in my opinion.
I have to say, I kinda like this design. Feels original as opposed to a lazy redesign for gunpla (I'm looking at you, Reborns and 1 Gundam).
And yeah, I DO wish this concept was in the movie instead. Looks like a next Gen Virtue. but I'm glad to have it as a MSV nevertheless.
biohazard_star - March 23, 2011 11:07 PM (GMT)
I kinda wish they retained Seravee's transformability to some extent. Its new name sounds fitting though, seeing as how its effectively a stripped down Seravee with missing parts (I'm looking at you, torso-with-missing-armor-plates-and-head).
Also, I noticed that the orb/circle mark on Sera's back is now green. I wonder if that's any indication of the type of drive it has?
| QUOTE |
| A GN Bazooka with its own Solar Furance? That's a new one. Can't get that many shots out of it I imagine given a Tau Drive only has a certain particle limit. |
Uh, actually wouldn't that up its operational time? The Gadessa series suits were functioning on one GN Drive Tau. Raphael operates on three, with one completely dedicated to powering its bazooka.
ChroniK - March 23, 2011 11:16 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (rocawarde @ Mar 23 2011, 11:13 AM) |
Aw man I really hope this isn't finale chapter, we may never see the 00V Harute and Zabanya. :(
I got to admit this Raphael Gundam Dominions look pretty slap-together
Really broke down the pieces of Seravee Gundam II and hot-glued them all over Raphael. <_< But that handheld bazooka is pretty kool.
O well, maybe we'll get lucky and they make another 00V book adding variants of Harute, Zabanya, and Braves |
Seems about right though, considering they are "low" on resources. Thats probably the whole reason why they added extra boosters to Harute and gave Zabanya more bits, they probably didn't have enough resources to give them more then that.
The "GN Claws" on the leg fit Virtue more, it makes me wonder if part of Virtue was added to Seravee Repair, or if they had extra Virtue armor laying around.
Homeless - March 23, 2011 11:22 PM (GMT)
You can argue that there are greater Virtue aesthetic influences in the Seravee II, but it doesn't mean that they actually used physical components from it. I can't imagine there would be spare Virtue components aboard an enemy faction's secret factory for all that time either.
I think Dominions is actually one of the laziest designs they've come up with. There's a certain intellectual laziness to haphazardly slapping pieces from Seravee Repair all over Raphael and calling it new. They couldn't even be bothered to reorient the Seravee's bazookas.
Strike Albion - March 23, 2011 11:27 PM (GMT)
Whilst CB were 'low' or resources, the Raphael was built at the Celestial Being. I doubt it was exactly resourceless given it was the headquarters of Ribbons, the Innovators and manufacturing site of the GNZ-Series and the Reborns.
To me the design sort of regresses Tieria's MS line. Whereas the Virtue and Seravee were heavy-built beam spammers the Raphael was meant to be something different: an agile unit which still had firepower.
The Raphael Dominions returns it to the idea of heavy armor + firepower which makes me feel it would have been better had the Dominions been designed before the finalized Raphael design a la the Reborns Origin before Ribbons gained the Twin Drive System.
However, I'm also surprised it's armaments are only 3 GN Bazooka given its size. You'd think it'd have a few missile containers, sabers and beam cannon arms.
EDIT: I'm with you on this Homeless. It does seem like a lazy design which is sad if this is indeed one of the last designs to come out of the 00 universe.
biohazard_star - March 23, 2011 11:51 PM (GMT)
Even with the official weapons list given, I honestly doubt the bazookas are its only weapons. Given that there's a close-up shot of the hole in the Sera's "legs", its likely that they've still retained their function as GN Cannons. Also, this thing still probably has beam sabers; in Sera's arms at the very least.
In a way, it's pretty silly how even though this configuration looks bulky, it still doesn't really add much to the Raphael. Tieria could have just manufactured a second set of armor, but instead he chose to strip down the fully functional Seravee in order to bulk up the Raphael.
A Raphael with a Seravee II with a Seraphim II on its back would have honestly been better. :lol: :lol:
SonicSP - March 24, 2011 04:39 AM (GMT)
At the moment, probably part of my top 5 G00 MSVs, I cannot stress just how much I love this design. I think I'll place this instead of the original Raphael when I make my Virtue lineage. Fits so much more in the lineage. I really like the fact that the base Raphael is also more visible, but I guess there is no reason to "hide" it at this point.
I guess the separation dual theme is still there, just that its less emphasized than before. Would be pretty cool if the parts can be cast of and then get- re-attach themselves. Feel like it needs a GN Field and some beam sabers too.
It does feel a bit less practical however than the original Raphael, which is personally a bit sad because as practical as the Raphael is (at least compared to this), the design keep getting uglier and uglier and uglier whenever I see it. This by contrast appears to look way way way better as far as aesthetics goes, but does not appear to be as practical.
The original Seravee looks best in the lineage in my book, both in terms of aesthetic and practicality.
[EDIT]
Upon re-analysing the design, I swear it looks like it may be possible for the armor to combine into something. A crazy thought probably not true.........but maybe just maybe. Who knows?
[EDIT2]
If the backpack can actually turn into an MS, I can see the practicality aspect achieved since its the lack of a 2nd MS is my only bone with it in the practicality issue. If it can, it would be as if not more practical than the movie Raphael and in a design that looks 10 times better too.
Its certainly possible from the design revealed, I can see the parts that can make up arms, legs and all one would need is a head popping up the middle to have Sera Gundam. But we'll have to see whether if it ever turns out to be the case.
If neither this or Seravee II ever had a GN Field, I would be calling Tieria an idiot.
Homeless - March 24, 2011 03:48 PM (GMT)
For what it is worth, JPN Wiki put up their profile for the machine. Seems to repeat what we thought, with it being intended for operation under gravity (the original Raphael/Seravee II having some balance issues) and the handheld bazooka equipping a pseudo-solar furnace.
EDIT:
2chan showing offEDIT EDIT:
| QUOTE (flamingtroll) |
| The description on the side mentions says Dominion is a ground combat variation of Raphael It is designed to overcome balancing issue with original under gravity. Parts of the Seravee are installed on Raphael itself. The configuration also makes the 2 GN Bazooka more stable when used under gravity because the recoil is absorbed by the shoulders of Seravee. There is also the obvious improvement in defense with the armoring |
Homeless - March 25, 2011 02:33 AM (GMT)
Official site update:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4817/monthlyv.pngI don't really see the official page mentioning being the final chapter. The summary for the chapter looks to further imply the armor detaches to join with Sera, though.
SonicSP - March 25, 2011 06:09 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Homeless @ Mar 25 2011, 10:33 AM) |
Official site update: http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4817/monthlyv.png
I don't really see the official page mentioning being the final chapter. The summary for the chapter looks to further imply the armor detaches to join with Sera, though. |
The autotranslator I'm using seems to English-literal say that the Sera joins the airframe instead. But I trust you over the autotranslator and it does seem make more sense.
Its good to finally have the reason why the variant was created. Even if it turns out to be less practical than the Raphael, I can see why the variant was created now. Would love to know more about Sera though. I have a feeling that the split is going to be quite practical for whatever reason. I guess the whole theme of the unit would be to include both Virtue and Seravee influences which can be seen in the obvious armor add-on as well as the Seraphim-like separable backpack.
Homeless - March 25, 2011 02:43 PM (GMT)
You're kind of seeing it; Sera is said to be divided up and installed across Raphael. If they're permanently-mounted armor parts, it seems odd to attribute them to Sera itself.
The B&w lineart also appears to depict how to reattach the hip armor to Sera, as well.
SonicSP - March 26, 2011 03:42 AM (GMT)
Was wondering, that "GN#####x3" in Japanese in the list of sorts, does it refer to the GN Bazooka x 3 or the GN Drive x 3?
Homeless - March 26, 2011 03:43 AM (GMT)
It is the armament list, referring to the GN Bazookas.
SonicSP - March 26, 2011 04:02 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Homeless @ Mar 26 2011, 11:43 AM) |
| It is the armament list, referring to the GN Bazookas. |
Thanks
| QUOTE (Strike Albion @ Mar 24 2011, 12:36 AM) |
A GN Bazooka with its own Solar Furance? That's a new one. Can't get that many shots out of it I imagine given a Tau Drive only has a certain particle limit.
That being said, I take it this Raphael is also Tau Drive-powered, right? |
I think one of the main reasons the solar furnace is added is the proximity to the weapon. I recall one of the advantages of having Reborns' Drive close to the Buster Rifle so it can better access the raw output more (having said that, the GN Big Cannons already work with this principle I guess so its nothing new with Raphael, just implemented on a different weapon).
In the Dominion's case, I also take that its to help with its Burst Mode. Recalling the original Virtue GN Bazooka's Burst Mode required direct connection with its GN Drive located inside the chest. Because Raphael doesn't have the Drive in the chest and/or lack the front chest connector port, they may have decided to just place the Drive directly on the weapon.
I imagine there's a GN Condenser there somewhere as well. Even Drives are sort of limited to output rates, even when spiked with TA and/or other mechanisms.
ChroniK - March 26, 2011 08:06 AM (GMT)
Isn't the whole point of having the huge condensers in the shoulders, is to accommodate the lack of condensers through out the body. :o
Homeless - March 26, 2011 02:32 PM (GMT)
The Ga-series have large GN Condensers in their shoulders, but this isn't said to be as a result of lacking GN Condensers elsewhere in the body. The Gadessa has them to accommodate the considerable particle consumption of the Mega Launcher, and it is probably a similar situation for the Garazzo/Gaddess given their most particle-intensive equipment is located on their shoulders as well.
Homeless - March 27, 2011 02:57 PM (GMT)
biohazard_star - March 29, 2011 04:39 AM (GMT)
It's kinda funny how Virtue's bazooka looks so small when it's being wielded by Raphael. What was once a duel-wield weapon for Virtue is nothing more than a jumbo-sized pea shooter for Raphael.
Homeless - March 29, 2011 06:14 PM (GMT)
Though, Virtue has no trouble using it one-handed:
http://img863.imageshack.us/i/virtue1.jpg/
SonicSP - March 29, 2011 09:19 PM (GMT)
I cant see the pic for some reason. But yeah the real Virtue can do that, even dual wield them actually. The 1/100 model....................will have a harder time since it has no GN Particles to counteract gravity.
It may also be possible to wield it like a minigun of sorts with the hanging handle but its never been seen to be used like that in the anime or official models.
[EDIT]
Oh, I can see it now. Ironically, kind of forshadows the dualing style that will be used by Seravee later.
E08 - March 31, 2011 09:32 AM (GMT)
Summary of the story from the chinese translation i managed to find. The story does not provide much info about Dominions.
-During the war some people mistake other ms as gundam, this can be interpreted as people searching for gundam in the war. Gundam now symbolises the eradicting of war.
-Majority of the army is supportive of innovators.
-Anti-innovators section of the army that left are using the army’s equipment, thus only the army or a group like CB can deal with them.
-Amy is still using advanced GN-X while the enemies are using GNX-805T/CF.
-Amy is saved by a beam from a far distance, it was careful not to hit the core fighters.
-Amy is able to confirm that the beam is from a gundam, but is unable to get a clear look.
-Although Robert Spacey suspects that Amy saw a variant of Raphael Gundam, he did not tell him so(No one else believe that Amy saw a gundam)
-Creation of new gundam is mostly likely linked to Veda. As Veda did not release the info, Robert feels that he should keep quiet. Robert wanted to see Amy’s disappointed look is another reason why he did not tell him the truth.
Homeless - March 31, 2011 05:23 PM (GMT)
"I'm sure Veda knows what it is doing" is an incredibly dangerous mindset to fall into.
SonicSP - March 31, 2011 08:35 PM (GMT)
I still wonder who the pilot is, probably just a random Innovade however. It still sounds like CB is active, although that's no surprise.
Homeless - March 31, 2011 08:43 PM (GMT)
It'll probably just be Tieria in some fashion. You know the sidestories.
| QUOTE |
| It still sounds like CB is active, although that's no surprise. |
Especially since, well, we've known for awhile that they intervened in the conflict?