Equality of Men and Women, Is people sexist?
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Posted: Jan 10 2008, 05:10 AM


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What do you think? Do men and women really have equal rights in our - oh so modern - society, or is equality just an illusion?

I for my part think that women *do* have equal rights on the paper, but it is the bad execution of the laws which provide women equal rights that makes it appear as if they don't have such rights. Example: Women earn less money than men for equal work (approximately 20% less).
Who is at fault? Men for oppressing women? Women for not using their opportunities? The evil society?

I agree there is a measurable amount of sexual bias still being taken place. However, it works both ways. For example: a girl I know who's an electrical engineer got an internship as a freshman, and the position was supposed to be only for sophomores and up but the company rep told her "Oh its ok we need more females in our company to meet diversity quotas...etc". To me that's BS. I'm all for equal rights of women, minorities, etc., but that doesn't mean that your "status" should factor into getting a job. The most qualified person should get the job, not the most underrepresented culture! Freaking affirmative action, its like reverse racism... or something

With the salary statistic, I think its because not enough women have made their way through science/engineering curriculum yet. Most women seem to major in Liberal Arts/Education still, where the salary is much less (or in some cases non-existent ) And what about the number of house-wives? I don't trust that statistic one bit. But I think the bias will go down as long as we get more hot girls who are interested in science/engr to major in it and get a scientist/engineering position ($BLING BLING$). That's all I have to say for now
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Posted: Jan 14 2008, 02:54 PM


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Sadly most women like to use some of their weakness as their advantages. They would sit back doing nothing while the men work for them. This often happened at the workplace. They will ask the men to do the heavy work while they take the easy one. I.E. Carrying some stuffs or like that.
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halfy
Posted: Jan 15 2008, 04:19 AM


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Well, I don't think there's such thing like gender equality. The only thing available is, both men & women have special, gender-unique characteristics that make them different, not only physically, but also mentally. No, I'm not saying one gender is dumber than the other, but rather one gender think differently than the other. Analogically, when people ask "what makes a 4?" A man might answer "2+2" but the woman might answer something different like "2x2". Nobody's wrong & both are right. Another thing happened in the past (and probably until today) is women being marginalized/discriminated. For me, women can't really put the blame on men alone because women themselves actually have too many visible weak points. They, at some fields, may be superior than men but in this physical realm, physical strength has always been the key to success, thus many men managed to gain power over women. This is a sad truth but in order to overcome this I must say women should not whining that men should give them a chance to stand tall, instead they should achieve it by utilizing what they have that is superior to men. Gender equality is not a rightful thing to me, but women liberation is. It is to free the women from being marginalized.
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Mashed Potato
Posted: Jan 22 2008, 11:58 AM


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What is the debate? Whether sexism exists in our society?

Of course sexism is alive and thriving
it will never be completely abolished, same with racism, and general discrimination
we can only reduce it

as for what halfy said
we're talking about subjective discrimination, not functional discrimination.

"discrimination" does not mean "differnce"
so don't bring that "males are physically stronger" argument in here

PLUS where's your proof that females think differently to males?
'cause you're making a HUGE ARSE generalisation

and
if you think about it
female liberation means the exact same thing as gender equality
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Gilgamesh
Posted: Jan 22 2008, 03:18 PM


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Even though they are demanding equality from men, women sometimes can be unfair towards men if you think really deep.
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Mashed Potato
Posted: Jan 23 2008, 03:22 AM


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Of course o_O but that's rare. Women inferiority is much more prevalent.
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halfy
Posted: Jan 23 2008, 05:02 AM


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QUOTE (Mashed Potato @ Jan 22 2008, 11:58 AM)
"discrimination" does not mean "differnce"
so don't bring that "males are physically stronger" argument in here

Nobody here says "discrimination=difference". But you can't deny the fact that there are people being discriminated because they are weaker, thus such argument is VALID.

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PLUS where's your proof that females think differently to males?
'cause you're making a HUGE ARSE generalisation

You need a proof because you can't think about it? Then does that mean you're saying the way men think is equal to that of men? Now, where's your proof for that one?

Male & female are different even in their chromosome structure. Men are comprised with XY chromosome while women are with XX. Therefore, they have different sets of brain. Different sets of brain directly translated into different way of thinking. Like I said, it is not about who is smarter. Even if you delve into human eye, men & women have great difference between the number of 'cone' & 'rod' cells that comprised the retina, which resulting the different view on physical objects.

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if you think about it
female liberation means the exact same thing as gender equality

I don't think so. If you think about gender equality, the women of Ancient Roman already have them thousands of years earlier before the present time (mostly after the Roman Republic replaced by Roman Empire). Women liberation is a movement that started since the French Revolution. They're not for gender equality, but for liberating women from being marginalized.
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Posted: Jan 23 2008, 08:28 AM


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Sexism is still here in this world. The belief that one gender or sex is superior to or more valuable than the other. Some gender will think that they will do better than the other one because their gender is specialize in that section. To me, it is some sort of bullcrap because there are nothing that the women can do that the men can't do except for getting pregnant.
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Mashed Potato
Posted: Jan 23 2008, 01:46 PM


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You need a proof because you can't think about it? Then does that mean you're saying the way men think is equal to that of men? Now, where's your proof for that one?

What the hell sleep.gif YOU implied that men think the same way as other men, through the claim that "women think differntly to men"

We ALL think differently, gender doesn't affect it, we vary as individuals.
There is not one person with the exact same belief system as me, and this applies to everyone.

Since you made the claim that "women think differently to men", I expect you to provide evidence supporting that claim. I don't know why the fuck you asked me for proof.


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Male & female are different even in their chromosome structure. Men are comprised with XY chromosome while women are with XX. Therefore, they have different sets of brain. Different sets of brain directly translated into different way of thinking. Like I said, it is not about who is smarter. Even if you delve into human eye, men & women have great difference between the number of 'cone' & 'rod' cells that comprised the retina, which resulting the different view on physical objects.

No
you did not prove that we have different sets of brains.
you proved that we have different chromosome structures sleep.gif


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I don't think so. If you think about gender equality, the women of Ancient Roman already have them thousands of years earlier before the present time (mostly after the Roman Republic replaced by Roman Empire). Women liberation is a movement that started since the French Revolution. They're not for gender equality, but for liberating women from being marginalized.

If we only focus on their definitions and aims rather than history, we can say it's pretty much the same thing.

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"discrimination" does not mean "differnce"
so don't bring that "males are physically stronger" argument in here

Nobody here says "discrimination=difference". But you can't deny the fact that there are people being discriminated because they are weaker, thus such argument is VALID.

It sounds like you are saying that "women are looked down upon, and with good reason too"

is that what you believe? I didn't really get your viewpoint =/
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Posted: Apr 16 2008, 10:22 AM


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As a female, most of the time ladies will be treat differently by the guys because they think that they can perform much better than us.
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Posted: Apr 21 2008, 04:19 AM


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go girlsssssssssssssssssss~~~ We can do most of what they can. No racism there. If there is, #$@(&%#@*!*%!)&#%()@*#(@!$@*^#@$%#@^%!#&(@#!2 the person
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Posted: Apr 29 2008, 02:08 PM


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What are you blabbering about?

There are things that girls can't do what men can do.
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Posted: Jul 17 2008, 05:56 AM


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Technically, there are some things that men can do that women can't do. Same goes with the men. Then there are women that still thinks that the things that women usually can do that men can't do. Heck, they are the one that fighting for their rights and demanded equality but when a man said he can cook, taking care of children and whatsoever, they look down on them. WTF?!
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