Lady GaGa

Madonna Sees Herself in Lady Gaga

Madonna: I Was 'Provocative' at 13

The Material Girl also offers up her thoughts on today’s stars:

* Lady Gaga: “I see myself in Lady Gaga. When I saw her, she didn’t have a lot of money for her production. She's got holes in her fishnets, and there's mistakes everywhere. It was kind of a mess, but I can see that she has that IT Factor. It's nice to see that at a raw stage.”

HIV and AIDS were never really "heterosexual" diseases, at least not in the United States.

The left tried to paint both HIV/AIDS as something straight people could get (which maybe they can, technically speaking, but they were not infected in large droves, as was predicted back in the '80s.
Research/ polls/ studies have shown that it's still mostly homosexual behavior that leads to being infected with HIV /AIDS in the U.S.A., and not heterosexual behavior.)

I don't want to get this thread off-topic, so I will direct you to this thread in the Outlook forum:
The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS
-that thread has lots of research information, links to studies, etc.

I do agree that people tend to conflate or confuse the issues a little bit.

Because Madonna-

1. included deviant sexuality in her videos/tours/photos;

and

2. threw condoms out during a tour or two in the '90s, and because she appeared in a condom PSA late '80s/early '90s,

-people assume from those factors that she is somehow a poster girl for homosexual rights/equality, and I've never understood how they arrived at that conclusion.

If Madonna was truly more in support of homosexual causes, one would think she would've taken her once-strong platform to frequently speak out more forcefully and clearly on behalf of it.

I do think Madonna delights in sexual deviancy, she enjoys it in her personal life, she enjoys trying to offend people with traditional values by using homo-erotic imagery in tours and videos, but I don't think she has ever been into speaking up on behalf of homosexuality, in a politicized sense, as in 'what can I do to make homosexuality accepted by the main stream culture.'(*see footnote)

Lady Gaga, by speaking up at a homosexual rights march, by making her support as open, clear, and blatant as she did, did more in support of homosexual issues than Madonna has ever done in over twenty years in the limelight.

Madonna filming the spot for the condom P.S.A. and donating the occasional ratty, used bra to some AIDS charity over the years seems more superficial and shallow than Gaga boldly standing on a stage at a scheduled event covered by major news organizations and point blank saying, in a manner of speaking, "I support this cause."

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(*) She may have inadvertently pushed homosexuality into the main stream culture by including it in videos and photo spreads, but I don't think that was her intent(*2), so it's annoying to me when so many people try to hold Madonna up as a civil rights, Martin- Luther- Kingish type figure.

(*2) What was her intent, IMO? It was to create scandal to get more attention from the media and the public, and what better way to do that than use sex, especially something once taboo, such as sex of the homosexual variety (and she also used religion, and later, politics, of course).

I don't like this singer either, I tried listening to this Lady Gaga's music it was not good, in fact it was horrible music and the lyrics of her songs don't even have any good meanings in it.
She is just as sick as madoona is.
Two slutty roles models made for each other and these are the stereotypes who make women look like flesh to be raped by males, similar like what happened at the school the other day.
Frig those record companies who market such attention whores and sell to the young generation, - trash.
Lady Gaga costumes, her makeup, her stupid wigs, she looks like an idiot.
The other day on channel "V "nternational" I was just checking out what was on, they had this Lady Gaga look-a-like contest, so much demand for this madonna-like-piece of trash.
Her name, what she calls herself is silly enough,
what "Lady Gaga" what kind of name is that?
This story is probably a publicity stunt anyways.


Lady GaGa and Madonna to collaborate?

Lady GaGa has hinted that she might collaborate with Madonna.

The 51-year-old recently praised GaGa, saying that she 'saw herself' in the 'LoveGame' star, to which the latter has now responded.

"Madonna is great," Angry Ape quotes her as saying. "And I guess I could say we are friends. I love her daughter Lourdes. She is such a lovely young girl. She came to my show with her mum and we got along famously.

"We got along fine and we did the skit together on SNL and helped the writers. So who knows [about a collaboration]?"

How can GAGA be the next Mcdonna, they don't know madoona's history I guess. No match at all, we don't need another sh** bag again.

Lady Gaga in the running to be the next Madonna

Pop quiz, pop culture fans. Whom does this best describe?

Bottle blonde. Platinum-selling album(s). Gay following. Ambiguous sexuality. Ubiquitous paparazzi target. Undeniable pop savvy. Appeared on "Saturday Night Live" in October to wrestle anotherfamous musician.

And the fashion - dear Lord, the fashion. Not something you want to try at home or outside of home or ever, really.

Did you picture Madonna, or did another image surface, perhaps of another young woman who doesn't like to wear pants?

For decades now, the media have been on a quest to anoint "the next Madonna." A quick Google search unearths more than 79,000 hits for that phrase - everyone from Rosie Perez to Rihanna has been mentioned. Madonna herself has participated in the search from time to time, while still making albums, releasing videos, bedding young models, scaring the world with the tightest quads in the music business - in general, still being Madonna. Her staged kiss with Britney Spears at a 2003 music awards show certainly signaled a contender, although Britney, sadly, proved unfit for the title. (Who knew that mental stability was in the job description to replace Madonna?)

But Lady Gaga has come closer than any past wannabes. Gaga and Madonna have much in common: Young women with Italian roots, they both abandoned regular names - Madonna Louise Ciccone and Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta, respectively - in favor of trademarked

monikers. They both eschew conventional looks in ambitious bids for global fame. And both have the pop music chops to make it work (check out Gaga on "Gossip Girl" Nov. 16).

Recently, it has seemed that Gaga could even out-Madonna Madonna. At the MTV Video Music Awards, Lady Gaga changed at least five times, every outfit more absurd than the last, while Madonna gave a speech in a demure black dress. Let's examine the evidence for Gaga's supposed ability to fill those Gaultier cone-shaped bras:

Humble roots. Early footage of Madge and Gaga tells a similar story: talented (but not virtuosic) singers with pop flair ditched their brown hair and former lives to begin the climb. Gaga, born in Yonkers, N.Y., didn't have quite so far to travel physically to join lower Manhattan's club scene, but as an early video of her performing at the NYU dive bar the Bitter End (and looking for all the world like Alanis Morissette) demonstrates, she has traveled light-years fashion-wise.

Professional training. One aspect of Gaga's history that is not Madonna-esque is her vocal training. Gaga was accepted at age 17 at the Tisch School of the Arts - one of just 20 in the Clive Davis music program. From there, she caught the ear of studio exec L.A. Reid. Madonna went a different route - showed up in New York with $35 in her pocket and a background in dance. But, to be fair to Gaga, she was dropped from her label and had to remake herself in lower Manhattan's burlesque scene before she actually got her music recorded. In both cases, Madonna and Gaga show ambition as their dominant trait.

Iconic style. Pretty young things trying to make pop songs are a dime a dozen. Gaga and Madonna (Gaga obviously having Madonna as a potential model) distinguish themselves through their use of avant-garde, weird, objectionable, ugly but undeniably individual fashion. In Madonna's case, it seems that her early looks came fairly naturally to her: The Material Girl was already rocking lace gloves, kicky boots and red lipstick in her daily life. Gaga's look isn't quite as organic; she formed a fashion group - Haus of Gaga - to mold her style. Whereas millions of girls could run to the store and cut the fingers off their gloves to be like the Material Girl, you (hopefully) won't see many tweens walking around the mall in a leotard, carrying a teacup (as Gaga did on her trip to England this year). In trying to subvert conventional notions of beauty, as she describes it, Gaga might be going too far on the costume tip to be on Madonna's level of media penetration. Madonna managed to be an aspirational dresser. It's hard to imagine anyone voluntarily putting on a lace face mask and hitting the town.

Staying power. This will be the real test. Madonna is known for reinvention, her ability to dictate and then ride trends, musical and otherwise. Madonna may have put out some mediocre to bad albums lately and overdone the cosmetic enhancements, but it's hard to ever count her out. As long as the original Madonna is still making headlines, there's a good chance that the "next Madonna" is the woman herself.

I get annoyed by journalists who dub new singers "the next Madonna" or who ask, "who is the next Madonna?"

To do so implies, to me, that Madonna is an original, when she's nothing but a conglomeration of every celebrity (especially dead ones) and living music producers she's ripped off for the past 25+ years.

Then you're apt to see the equally annoying reaction among some Madonna fans who will be peeved that anyone dare compare any other (especially new) performer to Madonna, as though Madonna is so thoroughly original, how dare Lady Gaga (or Britney Spears, or whomever) try to be, act, sing, or dress like Madonna, or how dare any journalist compare the two.

If they just mean 'who is the next Madonna' in terms of 'who is today's most over-rated, media-hyped, no talent,' that take is acceptable to me.

I so hope the following line from this story hacks off Madonna fans:

Recently, it has seemed that Gaga could even out-Madonna Madonna.

First link here might be XP (cross posted) to the 'Copying off Madonna? Ridiculous' thread (or maybe not, since the author does not accuse Gaga of intentionally or blatantly trying to rip off Madonna):

Lady Gaga in the running to be the next Madonna

by Reyhan Harmanci, Special to The Chronicle
Sunday, November 8, 2009

Pop quiz, pop culture fans. Whom does this best describe?

Bottle blonde. Platinum-selling album(s). Gay following. Ambiguous sexuality. Ubiquitous paparazzi target. Undeniable pop savvy. Appeared on "Saturday Night Live" in October to wrestle another famous musician.

And the fashion - dear Lord, the fashion. Not something you want to try at home or outside of home or ever, really.

Did you picture Madonna, or did another image surface, perhaps of another young woman who doesn't like to wear pants?

For decades now, the media have been on a quest to anoint "the next Madonna." A quick Google search unearths more than 79,000 hits for that phrase - everyone from Rosie Perez to Rihanna has been mentioned.

Madonna herself has participated in the search from time to time, while still making albums, releasing videos, bedding young models, scaring the world with the tightest quads in the music business - in general, still being Madonna.

Her staged kiss with Britney Spears at a 2003 music awards show certainly signaled a contender, although Britney, sadly, proved unfit for the title. (Who knew that mental stability was in the job description to replace Madonna?)

But Lady Gaga has come closer than any past wannabes. Gaga and Madonna have much in common: Young women with Italian roots, they both abandoned regular names - Madonna Louise Ciccone and Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta, respectively - in favor of trademarked monikers.

They both eschew conventional looks in ambitious bids for global fame. And both have the pop music chops to make it work (check out Gaga on "Gossip Girl" Nov. 16).

Recently, it has seemed that Gaga could even out-Madonna Madonna. At the MTV Video Music Awards, Lady Gaga changed at least five times, every outfit more absurd than the last, while Madonna gave a speech in a demure black dress.

Let's examine the evidence for Gaga's supposed ability to fill those Gaultier cone-shaped bras:

Humble roots. Early footage of Madge and Gaga tells a similar story: talented (but not virtuosic) singers with pop flair ditched their brown hair and former lives to begin the climb. Gaga, born in Yonkers, N.Y., didn't have quite so far to travel physically to join lower Manhattan's club scene, but as an early video of her performing at the NYU dive bar the Bitter End (and looking for all the world like Alanis Morissette) demonstrates, she has traveled light-years fashion-wise.

Professional training. One aspect of Gaga's history that is not Madonna-esque is her vocal training. Gaga was accepted at age 17 at the Tisch School of the Arts - one of just 20 in the Clive Davis music program. From there, she caught the ear of studio exec L.A. Reid.
Madonna went a different route - showed up in New York with $35 in her pocket and a background in dance. But, to be fair to Gaga, she was dropped from her label and had to remake herself in lower Manhattan's burlesque scene before she actually got her music recorded. In both cases, Madonna and Gaga show ambition as their dominant trait.

Iconic style. Pretty young things trying to make pop songs are a dime a dozen. Gaga and Madonna (Gaga obviously having Madonna as a potential model) distinguish themselves through their use of avant-garde, weird, objectionable, ugly but undeniably individual fashion.
In Madonna's case, it seems that her early looks came fairly naturally to her: The Material Girl was already rocking lace gloves, kicky boots and red lipstick in her daily life.
Gaga's look isn't quite as organic; she formed a fashion group - Haus of Gaga - to mold her style.
Whereas millions of girls could run to the store and cut the fingers off their gloves to be like the Material Girl, you (hopefully) won't see many tweens walking around the mall in a leotard, carrying a teacup (as Gaga did on her trip to England this year).

In trying to subvert conventional notions of beauty, as she describes it, Gaga might be going too far on the costume tip to be on Madonna's level of media penetration. Madonna managed to be an aspirational dresser. It's hard to imagine anyone voluntarily putting on a lace face mask and hitting the town.

Staying power. This will be the real test. Madonna is known for reinvention, her ability to dictate and then ride trends, musical and otherwise. Madonna may have put out some mediocre to bad albums lately and overdone the cosmetic enhancements, but it's hard to ever count her out. As long as the original Madonna is still making headlines, there's a good chance that the "next Madonna" is the woman herself.

Hopefully this will tick off Madonna fans; some writers are attributing to Lady Gaga traits and monikers they used to bestow upon Man-donna such as "marketing genuis." See, for instance, this:
Lady Gaga wants your vertical stick on the new youtube.com video for Bad Romance

November 10, 2009 by Samuel Lora

Gaga, the marketing genius of the century starts The Monster Ball Tour on November 27th and it promises to be better than anything before. Gosh, we believe.

Here's another "compare Gaga to Madonna" piece, which I'm sure might be hacking off some die-hard Venereal Girl fans somewhere:

Lady Gaga Vs Madonna Who Has More Mojo

We loooooved Lady Gaga's new "Bad Romance" music vid earlier today!

We think her outrageous fashion is fresh, her music fun and her singing/writing/piano playing talents impressive... but can she really seriously be compared to Madonna's icon-level status already?

The Material Girl's secret? Always keep reinventing yourself. Will Gaga learn from her idol and stick around for the long haul?

I say YES!

There's a poll at the bottom of their page; current results:

Does Lady Gaga have Madonna's staying power?
X17 Poll

YES, Lady Gaga is on her way to becoming a legend!
117 votes - 58%

NO, Madonna is an original talent and Lady Gaga will soon be forgotten.
82 votes - 41%

I left a post on their page in the comment section but it might not show up for awhile. Here is what I said:

Whoever wrote this poll needs to remove the word "original" from the statement, 'Madonna is an original talent and Lady Gaga will soon be forgotten,' since neither one is original.

Madonna especially is guilty of being a second-rate copy cat, as she ripped off (yes, *ripped off*, not "paid homage to") so many other entertainers* over [the] years that it's sad and pathetic.

*(such as but not limited to- Marlene Dietrich, Jean Harlow, Debbie Harry, Greta Garbo, Marilyn Monroe)

That annoys me too, because it implies that the first ever female solo singer is Madonna, which is totally untrue. Who were they saying 'so-and-so is the next so-and-so' before the Vadge started her career?

It's really, really annoying because each and every single white, female solo singer who does dance music or pop dance music will be compared to the hag. I've noticed that for a long time now. Even when some people in my family listen to some of the dance music on my iPod (and if it features female vocals) they'll go 'is that Madonna?' I don't even know how this 'Madonna = dance music with female vocals' thing came into being.

Lady gaga Becoming This Generation's Madonna

Review: Lady Gaga, “Fame Monster”

by Juke-Bot
Posted Friday, November 20th, 2009
Category: Music, Reviews

In so many ways it almost seems that Lady Gaga is the new Madonna. Not a clone, but a new, re-imagined, Madonna. With that being said I would like to hear a new full length album with new sounds and ideas.

They're saying this way too soon. She only released her debut album last year. I mean, she might be comparable at the moment, but might not have the hag's longevity.

Sadly, I think every new (especially white girl) pop singer is forever doomed to the inevitable Madonna comparison, (as we've discussed in other threads before). As though Man-donna is the only template or the first(*).

I remember when the "Spice Girls" were big (what, late '90s early '00s?), plenty of pop music reviewers were comparing them to Madonna. I remember some journalists even asking Madonna for her opinion of the "Spice Girls."

*In a way, this is their own fault. There were enough female pop singers around during the 1980s, but most pop music writers, reviewers, and pop culture pundits had blinders on.

They focused on Madonna to such a great extent that as a result they gave minimal attention to Cyndi Lauper, Janet Jackson, Jody Watley, Pat Benatar, Cher, Belinda Carlisle, Tina Turner, Debbie Harry, Kate Bush, Annie Lennox, Bananarama (all female group), Kylie Minogue, Debbie Gibson, Paula Abdul, Taylor Dayne, and other females of that era.

Another reference to Lady Gaga as the new Madonna or the next Madonna:

Gaga For Lady Gaga's "Bad Romance" With Meaning

She might be the next Madonna, who has been one of the biggest zeitgeist influences of the past generation. Even Madonna is talking about Lady Gaga. That means you've arrived on the scene and probably aren't leaving.