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I think it should be the URAC. I'm not doing it because I want Aberdeen first, it's because this way is in alphabetical order. Or is there a reason Charis comes first?

And yeah.. I think we should vote..

To put it simply? No.

The merger committee already voted on it to be UROCA, and most people in both forums have agreed to the change. We're not going to waste time making another poll for only a couple of people who don't like the name.

Oh, and it wasn't a Charisian who suggested the name UROCA, if that's what you're implying. It just sounds better than UROAC/URAC/URCA.

EDIT: Not to mention that we've been using UROCA for too long and the forum is built around the name.

This post has been edited by Wzzt on Jan 14 2007, 07:53 PM

You shouldn't say "It just sounds better", because that makes your statement sound like a fact, when really, it's a matter of opinion. I like URAC better than URCA, and that is my opinion.

panda just stop you are the only one that doesn't like UROCA

I recall Kiwi saying something about fighting for URCA.. Maybe he didn't though..

But anyway.. You're right, I am the only person who wants URCA/URAC. (~Sarcasm)

Meh, well, whatever, the point is that it was already decided.

And actually, I believe the committee decided as a whole that it does sound better.

And yes, Kiwi/Alstitua/Paradica/Whoever fought for a different name.

This post has been edited by Wzzt on Jan 14 2007, 08:28 PM

You're right. The fact that 10 people think differently than me, means it isn't a matter of opinion.(~Sarcasm)

don't overdo it on the sarcasm

You're right, it is a matter of opinion. The thing is that most people are of the opinion that Uroca is a better name

You could always invent your own language and give Uroca/UROCA a different word in said language. And always refer to it, except in official situations, as the word in your language......

That's enough.

The forum and region have been founded. News bulletins have been made. The proposal went to vote explicitly noting that we were forming UROCA and aside from a question sourced from Bloopa, no one brought up any issue with the name.

Panda, if you continue to pursue this debate, I will put you under moderation. I said before that this has been a debate held too long, the decision is final. I said earlier to move on, now I'm enforcing what I said.

Move on. There are plenty of things you'll get a chance to bitch about later.

I did, but not because I thought it sounded better. I was fighting for it because I didn't like how in UROCA (which was the time [b]was[/c] United Regions of Charis and Aberdeen) included "of" but not "and." When it became clear that this change wouldn't happen, I instead proposed to change it to United Region of Charis-Aberdeen so that UROCA would make sense.

Just want to go on record to say that I was NOT complaining about the name, or anything else, okay? I was noting how I felt bitter-sweet that the region I've been a part of for a long time is changing. Like when a child goes to college. I was NOT criticising. At all. Anything. Not even the name.

You mean during the debate - no, you weren't. You were merely satisfying your curiosity, and I have no problem with that. Just further strengthens my point.

I can understand that and I completely appreciate the thoughts behind it. I have been involved with Aberdeen from basically the beginning of my NS time. However, I think it was pointed out in a thread last September or something - that Aberden has undergone severl significant changes. With that, i am looking at this merger as simply another step along those lines of growth, change and re-defining. We have done this before several time, just not on this big of a scale.

Also for the record - I never thought you were being negative, only trying to discern what you felt the best course of action whould be. I appreciate that, and only wish that a few more of the sceptics took your approach.

The name is still not a topic up for debate.

However, in the heat of the debate that has happened, a lot of issues have been missed or glazed over and with a segment of the region still fuming, I think it is only appropriate to bring an explanation of why we picked UROCA and why it won't and CAN'T be changed.

Issue #1: Why is Charis before Aberdeen?

Quite simply, because WE felt it sounded better. There wasn't a single representative on the merger team who suggested otherwise. Even more interesting was that with multiple different arrangements and ideas being proposed by both Aberdonians and Charisians alike, not a single one had Aberdeen first. Why? Because it was an irrelevant detail - we were more concerned at bringing a name that had meaning to it and sounded good. You disagree with our assessment of the sound? Fine, your opinion. It really isn't going to factor in to what we do. You think it does matter who is first? You can duke it out with a person from the other region that feels the same way, because if the two of you have the same opinion about it mattering who goes first, there is no way we could satisfy both of you.

Issue #2: Why is it UROCA, not URCA?

Because, again, we went based upon what sounded better - what WE felt sounded better. If you disagree, that's your opinion - it isn't going to factor in to what we do

Issue #3: When did WE, the members of the region get to decide on the name?

The Merger Proposal that was voted upon last week explicitly states that the new region will be called UROCA. By voting for the proposal, you voted for the name - or accepted it as a minor glitch that wasn't worth rejecting the entire proposal over. Either way. If you missed the vote.....I honestly can't do anything for you there.

But WE didn't get to select the name!

You're right, you didn't. The Merger Committee discussed possibly doing that but realized it would be a less than productive session for something that, quite frankly, we find inanely pointless. As Koalate put it on Charis' CBox:

The merger committee was put together to spearhead and address all issues quickly and in a small group so we could get moving on the merger and get on to having a region we can call home and that we can get acquainted with. As such, having week long debates and votes within the two regions on things like....well....something as pointless as the name was merely working as a delaying tactic. Honestly, I was amazed at how much attention it got from the committee and I was even more amazed at the fact that it became the dominant complaint afterwards.

Issue #4: We should get to vote on the name now

In a perfect world, you would. This isn't one of them.

We already have a domain set up with uroca embedded into the URL. We have a skin made and 1600+ posts copied from the regional RPs. Images have been made, Constitutions have been outlined, and announcements have been made here and abroad, not to mention a spot has been reserved within the game. The world knows that we are Uroca. The admins have put in hundreds of hours in the past few weeks trying to get everything set up and with the date looming, that's a lot of effort to go "I'll risk it all in favor of us not using UROCA".

No, the world isn't perfect, and sometimes it screws you over. Nor is either region a perfect total democracy. The Cabinet and Judicial Courts have the power to make rulings above and beyond what you get to do. When elections don't go your way, it just so happens that what you want isn't going to happen. Deal with it. Nothing that happened thus far is particularly unusual.

As I said before, there are much better things to devote our energies to, much more fights still waiting for us to wage. I would rather be concerned about those fights. As it is, Bloopa, Aioran and I seem to be the only ones who have levied an actual question at the candidates, and considering that this is probably the most influential event happening right now, I hope this changes. The Aberdeen Tribune is trying to publish an edition sometime next week - you could contribute to that.

Its time to move on.