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SarahC	Posted: Nov 11 2009, 10:11 PM
Rock Star Group: Members Posts: 1,016 Member No.: 295 Joined: 1-September 09	So I didn't watch today and didn't DVR it, anything good happen? Should I watch it tonight on Soapnet?

Richard	Posted: Nov 11 2009, 10:25 PM
Humming "The 13 Days of Mason-mess" Group: Admin Posts: 12,710 Member No.: 3 Joined: 7-May 08	GAH! http://advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/1...Hit_the_Sheets/ 'Tis the season. Advocate.com has just learned exclusively that One Life to Live's same-sex couple Kyle and Fish (played by Brett Claywell and Scott Evans) will have sex sometime before the end of the year. The show promises a happy gay New Year in Llanview. More details forthcoming on the airdate and how the bedroom drama unfolds. See? Nothing to worry about. :D I don't think they were on today, though, Sarah. EDIT: Nope. Here's a recap: http://www.soaps.com/onelifetolive/update/...ething_He_Wants

vertigo	Posted: Nov 11 2009, 10:35 PM
Luke and Noah forever Group: Moderators Posts: 10,775 Member No.: 4 Joined: 7-May 08	How nice for them to actually publicize the event instead of treating it like a dirty little secret!

Richard	Posted: Nov 11 2009, 10:36 PM
Humming "The 13 Days of Mason-mess" Group: Admin Posts: 12,710 Member No.: 3 Joined: 7-May 08	And how nice of you to have this waiting in my e-mail when I got home! :ch:

SarahC	Posted: Nov 11 2009, 10:54 PM
Rock Star Group: Members Posts: 1,016 Member No.: 295 Joined: 1-September 09	Good for them and kudos to OLTL if they actually show something. Please no blue jeans after sex and no ice cream with Roxy.

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Posted: Nov 11 2009, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE (Richard @ Nov 11 2009, 05:36 PM)

And how nice of you to have this waiting in my e-mail when I got home! :ch:

I had to cut and paste on my iphone. That's no easy feat! But anything for you. :ch:

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QUOTE (SarahC @ Nov 11 2009, 04:54 PM)

Good for them and kudos to OLTL if they actually show something. Please no blue jeans after sex and no ice cream with Roxy.

Considering they announced it ahead of time and want people to watch, I would wager they intend to make what ATWT did look tame (and lame) by comparison. Don't get me wrong--I will always get butterflies watching Luke and Noah's first time, such as it was. But I fully expect that this will blow that out of the water. OLTL just doesn't seem to be afraid.

SarahC	Posted: Nov 11 2009, 11:44 PM
Rock Star Group: Members Posts: 1,016 Member No.: 295 Joined: 1-September 09	It's going to make ATWT look really foolish considering they had the popular couple that helped them to #3, then put them on the backburner, banned any kissing and two and a half years later have yet to show them in bed. I almost feel bad for Jake and Van who against all odds still make Luke and Noah interesting but yet have to watch as another show (and another couple) still their thunder. I'd like to know how they REALLY feel about it all.

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QUOTE (Richard @ Nov 11 2009, 02:25 PM)

GAH!

http://advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/1...Hit_the_Sheets/

'Tis the season. Advocate.com has just learned exclusively that One Life to Live's same-sex couple Kyle and Fish (played by Brett Claywell and Scott Evans) will have sex sometime before the end of the year. The show promises a happy gay New Year in Llanview. More details forthcoming on the airdate and how the bedroom drama unfolds.

See? Nothing to worry about. :D

Yay! That is fantastic news. :TH

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Posted: Nov 12 2009, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE (SarahC @ Nov 11 2009, 06:44 PM)

It's going to make ATWT look really foolish considering they had the popular couple that helped them to #3, then put them on the backburner, banned any kissing and two and a half years later have yet to show them in bed.

I almost feel bad for Jake and Van who against all odds still make Luke and Noah interesting but yet have to watch as another show (and another couple) still their thunder. I'd like to know how they REALLY feel about it all.

I'd like to know how Van feels about having to be asexual as far as his job at ATWT is concerned, while Scott and his mother get to talk openly about what Scott's being gay means to them.

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QUOTE (vertigo @ Nov 11 2009, 06:04 PM)

QUOTE (SarahC @ Nov 11 2009, 06:44 PM)

I'd like to know how Van feels about having to be asexual as far as his job at ATWT is concerned, while Scott and his mother get to talk openly about what Scott's being gay means to them.

Yes, I would like to know that too, even more than I want to know what he thinks about how silly his storyline has been.

SarahC	Posted: Nov 12 2009, 12:36 AM
Rock Star Group: Members Posts: 1,016 Member No.: 295 Joined: 1-September 09	Regardless of whether or not ATWT is around in 2010, I would be shocked if Van renewed his contract when it's up in March/April of next year. I know he's a good little trooper and talks the party line but I can't believe he's happy with what they've done with his character both with airtime and storylines. I'll always want Van and Jake on ATWT but some part of me hopes they both find gigs where their talents are appreciated and utilized. As close as Van and Jake are, I'm sure they have a strategy/exit plan. And that is great about Scott and his mother being able to talk openly about Scott's sexuality.

Shawn1978	Posted: Nov 12 2009, 12:37 AM
Shining Star Group: Members Posts: 385 Member No.: 266 Joined: 10-May 09	Today's episode of OLTL was awesome! Those scenes with Oliver in a towel in front of Kyle was hot! Ok, maybe they got interrupted by Cris and Layla, but it was great not to feel disappointed and actually laugh at all of them acting like nervous teenagers, afterwards. And who thinks that Roxy would install hidden video cams in Kyle's apartment so she can sit down with a bowl of popcorn and a bottle of beer and watch the two pretty boys going at it til dawn? And I LOVED the end scene with Kyle, Oliver, Cristian, and Layla watching a movie together. I'd dreamed of scenes like this for a long with with Luke, Noah, and Maddie.

Richard	Posted: Nov 13 2009, 03:18 PM
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Someone interviews Ron Carlivati on AE. Here's the text: (Note there are spoilers.)

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Chatting with Ron Carlivati

One of daytime�s most popular and talked about storylines this year has been the romance between Kyle Lewis and Oliver Fish. What started out as yet another coming out drama, grew deeper and richer, eventually bringing viewers daytime�s first gay love triangle with the addition of out Broadway performer Nicholas Rodriguez as gay activist and high school teacher Nick Chavez. As if that wasn�t enough, OLTL even tackled the controversial issue of gay marriage rights.

But despite all the bells and whistles, the story always remained focused on the romance between Kyle and Oliver. So who is responsible for what is arguably one of the best gay relationships on television? His name is Ron Carlivati and he�s head writer for OLTL.

A former attorney, Carlivati has been with the ABC sudser for 13 years, starting as a writer�s assistant and working his way through the ranks until he took over the reins as sole head writer two years ago. AfterElton.com recently talked with Carlivati about the conception of the Kyle and Oliver romance, the fact that there�s been very little complaint about this potentially controversial storyline, what big star he would like to bring to Llanview and even a little peek at what�s ahead for Llanview�s gays.

AE: Why did you decide you wanted to have a gay couple on the canvas? Was it something you'd wanted to do for a while? How did it come about?
RC: It sort of evolved. The characters already existed on the canvas. Oliver Fish was already a cop that we had and he didn't really have a story of his own. Then I realized that we had this other guy floating out there. This was Kyle, who was brought in as a technician as part of the DNA story we had going on. Suddenly, just thinking, well what could I do with him and what could I do with him ... [laughs] ... it just kind of hit me. What if they used to be a couple? It kind of just grew from there.

AE: At that point had they worked together at all?
RC: No, I don't think they had worked together at all. The trickiest part for me, once I had the idea, was that we'd already had Fish sleep with a woman on camera. It was like, how do we make this guy gay when we've already seen him sleep with Stacy? And I thought, well, we can work with that. [laughs] That's how the story started to build. Okay, what if he's in the closet? What if they used to date? That sort of thing. The story kind of got dictated by the situation we were already in with the characters.

AE: So you didn't know if they'd have chemistry or connect or anything.
RC: Kyle was relatively new. Fish had been on longer. When I got the idea, I was like, "Wow. I could actually sort of see them together. Let me throw this out there and see."

AE: When you decided to do this storyline, how did the actors feel about it?
RC: The actors have been pretty great. I mean, if you watch it, you know how talented they are. I'm sure I threw them a curveball because it wasn't like we want you to come on the show to play a gay character. It was sort of sprung on them. Any time you go into a part, you never know what direction your character is going to take, but I'm sure it was a bit of a surprise to hear, "Oh by the way, you're gay." [laughs] They were probably a little bit nervous about the idea, but they've both been so fantastic. They have great chemistry together. It's a testimony to them how popular the couple seems to be.

AE: I just started watching the show this year � I never watched it before � but I had to follow it because of the gay story, and they pretty much took off right from the start.
RC: Just from what we were hearing from the fans, I was pleasantly surprised how fast it took off. People seemed to be engaged and interested in the couple right away. At first you weren't even seeing them together. You were just hearing about a relationship that happened back in college.

AE: That hadn't even had too many scenes together at that point, I don't think.
RC: No. We definitely did it slowly. Purposefully, it unfolded very slowly. The story kind of snuck up on ya.

AE: Overall, are you happy with the way it's gone so far?
RC: Oh absolutely, yes. It's really been great from the outset. From the beginning, we focused really on Fish and his coming out story, and the story has gone through different phases and arcs. The coming out story was like the beginning, and then we moved into the gay wedding story and made it more of a love triangle.

AE: What was the idea behind doing the gay wedding storyline?
RC: We sort of had this little story with Kyle and Fish running over here on the side, and it was a way for me to bring their story to the forefront and involve some of the other characters in it. It gave us a showpiece for the mayor's race on our show due to the wedding, and allowed us to bring in Dorian and some other characters, like Vicki, into the story.

As great as the story was, Kyle and Fish were kind of over in the corner with Fish coming out, and it was a way to weave them into a bigger story that had consequences for other characters. We had this mayor's race already in place, and it just seemed like a natural way to tie the stories together.

AE: Like you said, they are kind of off to the side since they're not related to anyone on the show right now. Given that, how can you integrate them into the show with the rest of the characters?
RC: I think what our show is all about is friendships as well as family. We've built a friendship between Cristian and Oliver, and between Roxy and Kyle. That's the way for me to tie them to other people, through friendships. We have the John McBain friendship with Oliver. It's those friendships that pull those guys into the mix with everybody else.

Now of course with the baby, it does connect them to the canvas in a bigger way. Through that, Oliver is connected to Rex and Schuyler and Stacy. The baby pulls everybody into the story.

AE: You brought in Nick, and originally he was just supposed to do the four shows, but then you expanded his part. What led to that decision?
RC: We're always looking for ways to have the story be richer, and again, find these obstacles for the couple. Originally, yes, he was brought in to be someone Kyle was dating to create this little obstacle for Oliver. Then as we're telling the story, we realized, "Why do we have to get rid of him so quickly?" These guys started dating and he's suddenly a little more viable. We made him a teacher at the high school, and suddenly it's a love triangle, which is always fun. Now with Nick, even though Oliver and Kyle declared their love for each other, Nick is still out there and maybe he's not willing to give up Kyle as easily as we thought � which is classic soap opera stuff.

AE: That leads to my next question, is he going to stick around? Are we going to see more of Nick?
RC: Yes, right now you will see more of him. After the wedding, it seems like that's the end for Nick, but we found a way to have him come roaring back into the story very soon.

AE: Since Kyle came onto the show, he's been this sort of shady character. A lot of people found that appealing about him, there was a sort of a bad boy/cop dynamic with him and Oliver. Are we going to see more of that?
RC: To make them viable for each other, it was necessary to do a little rehabilitating with Kyle. The character, when he came on, was pretty dastardly. He was a blackmailer. But I agree with you. I love that dynamic of having the cop and the shady guy together. Yes, we've kind of redeemed Kyle through Roxy and his actions, but it is definitely part of who he is.

Oliver is the standup, good-guy cop, and I think it's important to continue to see Kyle with these moral dilemmas and these questionable decisions that can create strains on relationships without a third party being involved. That is a way of doing it from the inside without having to have an external character come between them. Maybe it's just Kyle commits a crime and how does Oliver handle it?

AE: Are we going to see Oliver's parents come back?
RC: We've planned something coming up where he's hoping to hear from them and he doesn't. He's getting a little bit of the silent treatment from his family right now, but now that they've been established, it's pretty clear that he's going to have to interact with them again at some point. It's just a matter of when is the right time in the story to bring the parents back in.

AE: What about Kyle's family? I know his sister's dead, right? Although they never found the body so who knows.
RC: [laughs] Yes, his sister dies, and we kind of made a big point of how we haven't been so specific. At the wedding he said, "I really have no one else. Can you come for me?" That doesn't necessarily mean that no one else can exist, maybe that means he's estranged from them.

AE: When Oliver was coming out, he was talking to Layla about Kyle and his parents and how they brought him out. But yet, Kyle has this crazy, insane sister. For a lot of fans, that was a bit of a disconnect.

RC: We still have that hanging out there. Yes, he had this crazy sister, but from what we heard, it seemed almost like a storybook coming out story of his parents throwing him a party. Yet now he talks about having no one. You wonder what did happen there. That's something we can mine into in the future for some stories.

AE: Oliver is now out to everybody, including at work, so are you going to deal with the other cops giving him a hard time? Will there be any homophobia in the workplace?
RC: There's a scene coming up where Kyle comes to bring him lunch or dinner at work since he's working late, and another cop makes a comment about it, but we kind of went a different way than you might think that we would with it.

AE: There have been other gay storylines such as Luke and Noah on As the World Turns. Did they influence you at all with what you did with your story?
RC: Not so much influence, but I feel in a lot of ways I wouldn�t have been able to do my story if they hadn't done theirs first. I feel like those stories really did pave the way for me to be able to tell a gay story on our show. I'm obviously very grateful for that. The network has been really supportive and fantastic about the story. I just kept writing it waiting for the day when they'd say, "Okay. That's enough." [laughs] But it didn't happen, so they've been great.

AE: There�s been a lot of talk that at the other networks there was a lot of interference on what they could do and how they could tell the story. Why do you think you haven't had that problem?
RC: I think there's always a little bit of hesitation and nervousness. You don't know how the whole audience is going to react to a story like this. We have a lot of conservative viewers who may not want to see a story like this. I'm writing a show for them as well. I try to be sensitive to that. I'm not going to push any kind of agenda, political or any kind.

I always say, at heart, this is a love story like any other. I just try to write the story like I would if this was a straight couple. Obviously, some other issues become a part of that story. We did take on this gay marriage issue, but essentially, again, we tried to write it from the standpoint of a love story, not a political story.

AE: You've had a lot of other actors sing on the show, and I know that both Scott and Nick sing, so is there any chance we're going to get to see them performing on the show anytime in the near future?
RC: I love that idea. [laughs] I have no immediate plans to do it, but there's always a way to do it. I mean, why would Oliver the cop suddenly be singing on the show? But we'll find a way to do it. It's always great when you have a lot of multi-talented actors on the show. We have a lot of singers, and we have found ways to showcase that on the show. When we know somebody has that ability, we always keep that in our back pocket. How can we use this?

AE: I guess you guys will be moving to a new stage when All My Children moves its production to Los Angeles?
RC: Yes, we're moving to a new studio.

AE: How will that change the show? Will you have more sets? Will it have any effect that we'll be able to see?
RC: I don't know all the answers to that, because for me nothing will change. I'll just keep writing the show, and eventually production will tell me, "You can put seven sets into this episode instead of six." We have a bigger studio, but I'm still in a wait-and-see mode to see how that's going to work. I think it'll be a good thing for the show. It essentially means we'll have more room, because right now we have limits to how many sets they can use in one episode and that kind of thing. Frank [Valentini], the executive producer, will tell me once we get over there, "Guess what? You can use seven, or you can use eight, or you can do this or you can do that." I'll find out what the advantages are after we move.

AE: You guys did a good job with the wedding. I was impressed with how you guys shot that. I don't know how many people were on set.
RC: It was pretty incredible. We used a set of the square that we use a lot, but they made a much bigger version of it especially for this. They expanded the set. Roger Mooney, our set designer, is amazing, and Frank really went all out with all of the extras � the protestors, the cops, the brides and grooms, the spectators. It made it feel like a big event, which is what it was supposed to be.

AE: What is next for Kyle and Oliver? They went through all that and now they're dating, so what can we expect next for them? A lot of people think now that they're together they'll just disappear.
RC: That's always the trick with any show. Keeping the couple apart is the way to keep people interested. Like with the show Moonlighting, it was always about keeping them from sleeping together, keeping them from being a couple, and then once they were, it was like, now what do we do?

The story is almost easier to tell when you're just coming up with ways to keep them apart. Once they're together it becomes more of a challenge. Now what do we do? In their case, we focused on the coming out, and then once Fish came out, the challenge was Kyle said, "Well, it's too late. I've moved on." Then we had this buildup to could Fish get Kyle back? Which is up to where we are now.

What's great about it is that you've never really seen them together, so we can play on those first moments that the audience didn't get to see. It really is a "now what" for them. They admitted their feelings for each other, and the trick for us was that they've never even had a date in public. They dated secretly in college. So that's where we are in the story. I'm trying to plan their first date, then trying to see how we move forward in a relationship. Of course, being a soap opera, we find many ways to complicate that. [laughs] We can't make it too easy for them to get together.

AE: Will there be other bigger stories for them?
RC: Oh yeah, absolutely. The other story that's going on with them at the same time is that from his one night stand with Stacy there's a pregnant girl out there that's carrying his baby. As their relationship moves forward, you know that complication is lying out there. Obviously I'm farther ahead with the writing, but what you're seeing now is just playing out the romance and the love story without the obstacles at the moment. Down the road, the baby story will become a big part of their relationship.

AE: General Hospital got James Franco. If you could have anybody you wanted, what big star would you like to have come on the show for a guest stint?
RC: Anybody I want? I jokingly said if they get James Franco, we want Matt Damon. But I also told Scott that I want his brother Chris Evans on the show.

AE: Well that should be easy! He's got the connections!
RC: I know. He said he'd ask him. That would be really fun, especially since we had his mom. To have his brother would be really fun. We'd find something great for him to do.

Here are a few extra spoilers for you, what to expect in the next few weeks �

Look for Kyle and Oliver to have a peaceful and happy Thanksgiving as they celebrate with pals Cris and Layla.

However, Kyle and Oliver are so busy that they haven�t found the time to go on that first date and Oliver begins to get concerned because it hasn�t happened yet and he begins to wonder about his and Kyle�s future. Layla gives her ex-boyfriend a pep talk, telling him that things will be okay and there�s nothing to worry about in regards to him and Kyle. When Oliver later spies Kyle and Nick being a little bit too close, doubts and jealousy start to pick at him.

And when there is a vicious attack, how will that affect the lives of Kyle, Nick and Oliver? Especially since one of them may be the victim?

Ugh, please don' tell me there is going to be a gay bashing.

And even Ron thinks Kish/Nick was a triangle. :P

Richard	Posted: Nov 17 2009, 03:07 PM
Humming "The 13 Days of Mason-mess" Group: Admin Posts: 12,710 Member No.: 3 Joined: 7-May 08	This isn't the first mention I've heard of gay bashing or suggestion that Nick might be the victim. Oh well, whatever happens Kyle and Oliver will be having sex within six weeks.

brak666	Posted: Nov 17 2009, 06:43 PM
Unrepentant homosexual Group: Members Posts: 3,426 Member No.: 39 Joined: 11-May 08	While a gay bashing storyline isn't exactly a thrilling prospect there are at least some good opportunities for drama. You can have Fish getting jealous because Kyle is taking care of Nick at the hospital, or Nick using his injuries as an excuse to keep Kyle close to him. Or maybe Fish is investigating the crime and Kyle thinks he might not be giving it his all because he doesn't like Nick. This is of course me assuming someone else wants to beat the crap out of Nick as much as I do.

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Posted: Nov 17 2009, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE (brak666 @ Nov 17 2009, 12:43 PM)

This is of course me assuming someone else wants to beat the crap out of Nick as much as I do.

If he really gets pulped maybe the character can be played by someone else after he recovers. :P

Or he can just go away. Not every character has to have a big long arc.

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Posted: Nov 17 2009, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE (Richard @ Nov 17 2009, 01:47 PM)

QUOTE (brak666 @ Nov 17 2009, 12:43 PM)

This is of course me assuming someone else wants to beat the crap out of Nick as much as I do.

If he really gets pulped maybe the character can be played by someone else after he recovers. :P

THIS. I like the idea of Nick better than the actor.

brak666	Posted: Nov 17 2009, 10:30 PM
Unrepentant homosexual Group: Members Posts: 3,426 Member No.: 39 Joined: 11-May 08	I don't really have a problem with the actor. I just think the character is a selfish jerkass.

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