Title: German 251 Half Track
Description: This is a Friends piece that I wish ....
Lt. Walke - April 13, 2006 09:11 PM (GMT)
Share with you the members of WIP. It is a Work In Progress and will be taking time to finish. I hope to update as often as I can.
Taking the Chimera chassis he is making it as close to the real thing as he can and yet using GW parts. I hope to have some pics with it beside Brave Rifles Lascannons for all to look at tomorrow here is the current incarnation. I will have more pics after our painting night tonight.
The front end is being test fitted and should be built tonight hopefully.
GreyDeath - April 13, 2006 10:39 PM (GMT)
and so far so good.
I will have to check back to see how its going.
Thanks for sharing it with us.
Lt. Walke - April 14, 2006 05:59 AM (GMT)
My Buddy got some more work done tonight. He got the hood design pretty much done and even had time to show me his track design. Tracks are designed this way in an effort to use as much from the chimera kit as possible. He is has created a internal part to the Hull Lasguns and has the benches already inside. Other than under the turret the entire half track is going to be open topped.
Here is a pic of the 251 with the Pak43's from Brave Rifles. All I can say is they are even better looking in person. Thanks Brave Rifles from all of us at the friday night paint mettings we have had a good number of discussions on these pieces and the quality of the work. The only modifications that will have to be made to the cannons is to create an elevation to the cannon while in the travel position.
Oh I meant to ask my bud is wondering if you sent the folding spade as well or not?
HailTheRuss - April 14, 2006 06:46 AM (GMT)
this is shaping up to be a SWEET conversion! are you going to attach a hitch to haul the lascannon? that would be awesome, like the squad riding in the halftrack has their lascannon being hauled behind them!
Ultramar - April 14, 2006 12:02 PM (GMT)
Oh, I simply love this conversion! The balance between warhammer and WWII german look is very well done, I like it a lot.
Centurion Animus - April 14, 2006 03:54 PM (GMT)
Lt. Walke - April 14, 2006 06:17 PM (GMT)
LoL I wish that this was made by me. A good friend is making it and I promised Brave Rifles to share it with everyone. I haven't gone anywhere don't you worry and once my obligations for painting Terminators is done I will be getting back into tanks again. Don't you worry.
Hopefully I will have a completed Terminator unit to post next week sometime.
Mechanicore - April 14, 2006 08:37 PM (GMT)
Most impressive :wub:
I'm loving the front engine compartment, and the way he separated the troop compartment to extend it.
Can't wait to see it with fenders.
Is he going to round the front edge of the track section?
Lt. Walke - April 14, 2006 09:36 PM (GMT)
I believe so Mechanicore, yes. I have commendeered him to help us with building some Genesteelers though. should be an update next weekend as that is when I see him. Friday nights.
Jaeger - April 14, 2006 10:28 PM (GMT)
Wow killer with the nose done up it is a german halftrack without knowing it was scratch bulit it it looks like a real kit from one the model manufacters honeslty great work their guys .
Flamesoftzeentch - April 14, 2006 10:33 PM (GMT)
Really good interpretation of a very iconic design.
Seriously looking forward to seeing this finished!
Wittman - April 16, 2006 01:06 AM (GMT)
8rad - April 17, 2006 01:38 AM (GMT)
Hi all. I would like to thank Lt.Walke for posting my work up here for me and doing his best to show what will hopefully be a cool vehichle. This all would not have been possible without his help(i keep forgetting my camera to take pictures). Second, I want to thank Brave Rifles for the excellent lascannons. They will surely add to the look that I'm looking for. The answer to your question HailTheRuss is yes there will be a hitch for the lascannon but it is my intention to initially model it with the back door down to expose the detailed interior. I will however make the back door closeable so that I can attach the lascannon at a later date. The track design has posed the largest struggle for me, I think at this point the front of the track will be symmetrical with the back. I believe this is necessary to maintain the design elements of the chimera.
I hope to have more pics this weekend
And thanks alot for all your comments.
cidic - April 17, 2006 08:00 PM (GMT)
amazing job and great use of the chimera chasis.
8rad - May 7, 2006 09:27 PM (GMT)
O.k. Guys, here are the new pictures of my hanomag. I have finished the front hull,added fenders, front suspension(not complete) and the back door. I have also added the drivers hatch from the chimera kit.
But still much left to do.
Hope you like it.
Jaeger - May 8, 2006 01:15 AM (GMT)
wow good job on that , just one thing to bring up the gap between the front wheels and the track "dose not look right" it looks to open, ok I just went over your last post and you did say that was not done yet so disregard my post.
Mechanicore - May 8, 2006 02:05 AM (GMT)
Excelent, you are definatly setting the standard for half and half, hanomag conversions.
8rad - May 8, 2006 02:28 AM (GMT)
Just to reply to you Jaeger. The gap will be filled with a muffler just as on the actual 251. The dimensions should be pretty close to the actual vehicle because when I lay it on a profile drawing of the vehicle lines up very well. Hopefully with the muffler in it will look more natural.
Thanks for your oppinions, keep em coming. Good or bad.
Lt. Walke - May 8, 2006 03:35 AM (GMT)
How is the Gunner Idea coming along 8rad? I know we were discussing this at an earlier date but I was wondering on your success?
I really like how the hull is turning out. It truly captures the shape and design of the 251. I am still partial to the open track layout, but that being said the finished design of your concept has a certain 'je ne ces't quois' about it. I am thinking that you may wat to use the Chimera roof hatches as your engine bay 'bonnet' or hood if you will.
The front fenders the tappered edge needs to be either leveled out to a 90* or inward towards the tire. Maybe even shortened a bit; maybe? Maybe trim the side lip off as well as most fenders only covered about 2/3rds of the top of the tire the exception being automotive fenders pressed into design due to accessability of parts.
The rear hatch looks off a bit as well it is the fact that the plate covers the tracks and also happens to be where the rear hatch is mounted. Maybe beef it up so that the hinge looks to be bracket to the central frame?
I am also wondering if the 251 ever carried a pintle mounted MG for AA use in the rear crew compartment?
I know looking at this it looks like I am being over critical, but in knowing 8rad in person I have 1 seen what he is capable of and 2 I have a good idea of the outcome he is striving for and thus mean all of the above in nothing more than (hopefully) helpful information.
Looking forward to our ususal discussions on Friday coming mate.
GreyDeath - May 8, 2006 03:51 AM (GMT)
I have to say it looks great.
I love how well you work with plasticard its almost seemless.
And the bottom closed in tight is nice.
It just looks great.
IGBunker - May 8, 2006 10:09 AM (GMT)
ya when you do work with plasticard how do you make it seem less?
Lt. Walke - May 8, 2006 11:10 AM (GMT)
If i remember correctly 8rad uses Tamiya puddy mised with testors liquid glue and then just sands it down after. I may be wrong though.
History Lover - May 8, 2006 11:14 AM (GMT)
Thats totally awsome! The good ole 251! I bet the Germans didnt realize their design would be used this far ahead! LOL Great project! Jon
ArchMagosDave - May 8, 2006 12:39 PM (GMT)
How do you get the plasticard seams so, well... seamless?! :D
Panzergraf - May 8, 2006 04:36 PM (GMT)
Ultramar - May 8, 2006 06:56 PM (GMT)
WOW, it's getting better and better
8rad - May 9, 2006 12:25 AM (GMT)
Lt. was mostly right about the seams. It is squadron white or green putty(can be mixed with testors glue for a goopier texture) spread on with a hobby knife or your finger and then sanded after it has dried.
CaputMortuum - May 9, 2006 04:15 PM (GMT)
That's a real beauty! :drool:
8rad - May 10, 2006 01:45 AM (GMT)
Here you go Lt. I have taken your advice to heart.
Much better dont you agree?
Lt. Walke - May 10, 2006 03:10 AM (GMT)
Most definately 8rad. I also love the exquisite details in the track system that is now brought to light.
So did they have a pintle mounted MG in the crew compartment?
8rad - May 10, 2006 09:21 PM (GMT)
Yes, some did. It was used primarily for anti aircraft defence. But....I suppose it would also be great for covering the troops climbing out the back. Hmmmmmm, that would be a great idea. A heavy bolter would be too bulky. Any suggestions?
Lt. Walke - May 11, 2006 03:54 AM (GMT)
The Heavy Stubber that is on the accessory sprue that I gave you. I know it is closer to the allied .30 cal but it would work. At least I think so.
CaputMortuum - May 11, 2006 03:34 PM (GMT)
Yeah, heavy stubber looks a bit like MG38 and it was more common on vehicle mounts than MG42 anyway. I think it might look very good.
8rad - May 11, 2006 05:47 PM (GMT)
Sounds like a plan. I'm going to end up with a very expensive porcupine when I'm finished.
Brave_Rifles - June 14, 2006 02:28 AM (GMT)
Wow man that is looking sweet. Tell your buddy great job.
Lt. Walke - June 14, 2006 02:56 AM (GMT)
I will do that my schedule and a friends being ill has kept our paint nights offline for awhile but they should be getting back online in a week or two.
Haven't seen you in awhile how you been?
CaputMortuum - June 14, 2006 07:51 AM (GMT)
|QUOTE (CaputMortuum @ May 11 2006, 03:34 PM)|
| Yeah, heavy stubber looks a bit like MG38 |
Uh oh, ahem. :sorry:
I of course meant MG34, not MG38.
I don't know where that came from, just read this post again and noticed the error. Anyway, just wanted to say I'm not that daft.
Brave_Rifles - June 14, 2006 02:22 PM (GMT)
|QUOTE (Lt. Walke @ Jun 14 2006, 02:56 AM)|
| Haven't seen you in awhile how you been?|
Way too busy but I am starting to get back to 40k. I have been putting in a ton of time at work and haven't had any free time. I am hoping to get back to my army this week.
8rad - June 17, 2006 05:26 PM (GMT)
Alright, life happened, took a bit of a break. Lt. has challenged me to have a 500 pointer by September so I will hopefully be able to getter done. Since my last post I've started the turret, built the hull mounted heavy bolter, lasguns and the rear hatch hinge. I've also added armor plates where the storage boxes were on the 251. I thought armor more practical than storage bins but maintains the "look".
Also added engine compartment hatch and gas cap.
Garfinkel - June 18, 2006 10:03 AM (GMT)
that keeps looking better and better!
are you putting more detail on the front? at the moment it looks very plain