Demoliser with an Inferno cannons mounted in each sponson and fuel tralier attached to the back.
It's still very much WIP. Extra armour has been added to the turret and sides and I'm still pondering over whether to fit a hull weapon yet. The inferno cannons are heavy flamers from the Sisters Immolator, but I'm not happy with them and thinking of replacing them with the cannons from the Landraider Redeemer.
The trailer is still a lego mock-up.

Is this 'Leman Russ Crocodile' something of your own invention or is it from one of the Imperial Armours or something?

The Crocodile was one of the "Specials" during World War 2, flamethrower tank.

It's based on the Churchill Crocodile flamethrower tank. They were used during the D-Day landings to flush out bunkers and other defencies.



The were such an awesome weapon that German troops were under order to exicute any captured Crocodile crew.

The Hellhound was based on the Crocodile. Although most of the tanks in the Imperial Guard have been based upon some sort of real world counterparts.

Anyway, its a good conversion, nicely done.

nice concept... but perharps rename it to a prehistoric crocodile so its reference is subtle

ie mammonth is better than elephant imho

Only problem with that is the prehistoric name for "crocodile" is... esentialy, "crocodile" ;)

Any how, I like it.

I know you said background wise they're inferno cannons, you plan on VDRing a monster like that, or just field it as a demolisher with two heavy flamers?

If you were going to actualy have the inferno cannons on the side be inferno cannons, then I would not have a hull mounted weapon.

People might think two inferno cannons and a demolisher are a bit over powered but it looks good.

I concidered that, but if you compare the Churchill Crocodile tank against the standard Churchill, the only difference is the crocodile has its hull mounted Besa replaced with the flame thrower as the actual weapon isn't that big. The tank still retained it's main gun.
Transfering the same approach onto the Leman Russ, The main gun it retained, but either the hull lasconnon or the sponson guns are replaced. As this is a close support tank, the sponson guns give better arc of fire.
The lascannon is gone, as that would definatly make it look over powered, not to mension expensive. Depending on how the model looks, I might fit a twin linked heavy stubbers in it's place.

Updated pic of the tank.



Just the Inferno cannons to fit to the sponsons, then it's all but ready for painting. :D

^_^

Leman Russ Gharial
Leman Russ Mekosuchus
Leman Rus Crocodyl
Leman russ Crurotarsi

10 seconds of wiki, find one you like..

Now i actually meant look up the scientific name of an individual prehistoric crocodile, but i get lazy translating my ideas into english

looks really nice, those stubbers count as a heavy bolter? if id consiter it so you have a "legal" tank

remember the croc was equiped with 2 besa's one in the hull(was replaced with the flame thrower) and one co axle, so if the hull counts as a heavy stubber if consiter adding a coaxel HB. this makes it playable (heavy flamer sponsons etc) and also historical

Ideal way to represent Churchill Crocodile would be Conqueror w/o sponsons, with hull weapon changed for Inferno canon.
That way you have conqueror cannon (75mm), coax storm bolter (coax BESA) and inferno cannon (flamethrower).

i do agree the demo cannon is a little over powered for the 75mm but i think the conq is to weak, id go for a standard battle cannon.

but then a gain the demo has thicker armour like the churchill had.

my idea,

LRBT- sherman
vanq- fire fly
bassy- priest/ sexton
conq-???
salamander- stuart?

etc

The Demo cannon is closer to the 95mm howitzer fitted to the MkVIII Churchill.
The MkVII Churchills had the 75mm gun. The only difference between the two Mks was the gun, they shared the same hull and turret structure.
As the Crocodile was a MkVII with the hull BESA replaced with a flamer and fuel trailer attached, there is not logical reason why the same modification couldn't have been carried out to the MkVIII.

If I find I start geting objections from other gamers, I'll simple replace the Demo turret with a standard Russ turret.

Got it painted today.



Still not happy with the inferno cannons. They don't look imposing enough. I'm looking out for a couple of Redeemer flamers to replace them with.

thats very nicly painted! cant wait to see more

At first: I really like it: the hull looks perfect and the trailor is verry verry sexy and looks heavy duty.
But still, I think some minor changes would good:
I think the inferno cannons are pretty good, but the sponsons should really be bigger, perhaps elongated (as you changed the weapon class from heavy to cannon, as the infernos need quite a big hose to be feeded, much bigger as heavy bolter or heavy flamer feeds and as these are supplied by a huge and nice trailor).
And/or they should be connected with the hull with cables, plated with extra armour, given optics etc. There should have some optical connection to the cool trailor.
Also, the lego wheels non rubber part (the rim??? :blink: ) could be hidden or slightly changed: rivetted, made stronger, beefed up a bit, covered etc.
The rubber part could be sanded or shaped with a knife to something that looks a bit less edged and angular - more like blown up rubber and less like a toothed wheel.
But well, that are just my thoughts.
Sorry for my foggy and bad english, hope it can be understood... :(
Keep up the cool work!

Mr.Horse


+ Nice paintjob!

Thanks for the comments.
I'm not a huge fan of the lego wheels, but as yet, I've not got hold of a set or Ork wagon wheels to swap them with.

I like the idea of the larger sponsons. However, this will also wait until I've get a pair of redeemer flamers.

:thumbup:

Hope you get your redeemers. Since GW closed the bits service, my conversions are waiting in their docks for things to come...
I like the general shape of the wheels. Just think they could get a treatment that is similar to the additions you made to the other lego parts of the trailor.
Alternatively, the whole wheel- and track-section could be smoothed with some (wet or dry looking) mud. Would fit to the winter-scheme pretty nice.
(But it already looks great anyway.)

Greets,
Mr.Horse

The Crocodile saw action tonight with pleasing results.



The two inferno cannons can make a real mess of troops. :D

It's a perfect match! Demolisher to bust it open, Inferno's to torch what's left.
Not only modelling wise, but also tactically it works well - and you can't say that about many conversions!

Very well done. :thumbup:

a main weakness of most strong points is flamers so i agree fits tacticly.

Also a fantastic model, it looks even better in that picture! any chance of some more pictures of your forces?

Tactically it was spot on. So much so that my opponant became obsessed with knocking it out, which left the other three Russ' almost unopposed. :D

I'll get some pics of rest of the army sorted out in a week or so. :thumbup:

Just picked up a couple of Redeemer flamers to finish the conversion off. Once they arrive, the scratch built one will come off and the sponsons beefed up to take them. The model should look awesome after that.

looking really good in field! the russ with the autocannons is very nice as well!

where did you get the flamers? any bitssite you can recommend?

greets, mr. horse

The main one I use is www.bitzbox.co.uk

But also use www.bitsandkits.co.uk, www.jnbits.co.uk and www.wookiehole.com

Between the four sites I can usually find what I'm after.

to tell ya the truth i like the ones you got now but the new ones look pretty cool

Thanks a lot for the links!!!

FYI, if you are mimicing the WWII Crocodile then your main gun would be a regular LR battle cannon.

The Croc mounted a 6 pounder. The AVRE had something more in line with the Demolisher's weapon.

Your tank must be expensive, points wise. What did you calc it out to?

Hi,

Just wanted to say that I agree with IG about this...Your present guns look really good, they have that "Old Weapon" Style that Guards seem to have with the majority of their vehicles. Putting on the Marine Redeemer guns, although they look cool, I have a feeling they will take away from your beautiful model and that "Old Feel".

Kugleblitz, Saratoga mentioned somewhere near the top of his page the following:

"The Demo cannon is closer to the 95mm howitzer fitted to the MkVIII Churchill.
The MkVII Churchills had the 75mm gun. The only difference between the two Mks was the gun, they shared the same hull and turret structure.
As the Crocodile was a MkVII with the hull BESA replaced with a flamer and fuel trailer attached, there is not logical reason why the same modification couldn't have been carried out to the MkVIII.

If I find I start geting objections from other gamers, I'll simple replace the Demo turret with a standard Russ turret. "


Just wanted to point it out...Regardless, I have to agree with you...Not a cheap model. Using VDR rules, it comes out to 253 pts....That is giving it a twin linked Heavy bolter though. Mind you, if you have your opponents permission, you could probably get away with lowering the cost...As Apoc pretty much does away with the VDR rules... (Baneblade from 663 down to 500pts in apoc) Maybe field it at 200 pts?

The Redeemer cannons arrived today, so I'll trial it them and see how it look before deciding which way to go.

I don't have VDR rules, only the Guard codex, so I've worked the points out as follows:-

Take one Standard Demolisher, add a pintle mounted heavy stubbers time two for the twin lnked.
For the Inferno Cannons, take a hellhound less a standard Chimera time two.

That all adds up to around 235ish point. :blink:

your tank looks good, maybe a bit overgunned, but if i was you i would remove those points values before the mods come after you with a ruler. no posting points on the boards, i'm afraid. ;)

Interesting, would the trailer count as a separate target? Or is its armor value the same? If the trailer gets waxed how many shots are left? Does hitting just the trailer go on the penetrating hits table with resultant effects?

BTW I should have read a bit more carefully (thanks chip6793). The rebored for the US 75mm HE round main gun armed Churchill would probably be closer the Demolisher's weapon effects anyway...

It looks great. I'm tempted to try and do my own now.

im pretty sure demos have access to the heavy flamer sponsons so id make it a normal demo with hull HB (the stubbers) and Heavy flamer sponsons. this would atleast make it tourni legal. just a idea

Never really been happy with the demolisher turret on the Crocodile, so finally got around to modifying the tank into and engeneering tank with a roll of track matting on the hull.



Reasonable happy with the result... :D

I like your work on the Crocodile very much, especially the last version carrying the fascines.
My only critic could be the flame thrower itself. It could maybe look better fitted on the front of the hull. Heavy bolter sponsons could be fitted to provide close defense.
Nice work on weathering.

I know that bumping an old post is bad form but i just have to give you a huge thumbs up for the Crocodile Russ. I saw it while looking at your armoured tank thread and thought wow. Looks great with the facine (sp?) and trailer, a proper armoured engineering wagon. Add a digger arm and it woyuld remind me off a British army Trojan http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=trojan+ta...9,r:7,s:0,i:101

Btw are those lego wheels on the trailer ?

The trailer is 90% lego. Since GW decided wheels look better with metal plates bolted over the treads, it's a struggle to find a good alternative.