AL & AL's Racecar, Tuttech race car build

Remote res do better as the canisters are larger.
So more oil means more cooling. The only problem for making a clean
car is they also get in the way of where to mount them and where to put them.
If you put them inside etc. then they do not get fresh air and you loose that
extra cooling. If they go outside they are usually in your line of sight or something.
So the piggy backs loose some volume etc. but are nicely mounted in direct fresh air cooling them. So the actually cool more efficiently usually.

So in the case of us sportsman racers I would go piggy back for the clean mounting and set up. Plus a remote you have to buy brackets and clamps etc.
to mount them and secure them etc.

Also my brothers have torn their lines off their shocks going to the remote reservoirs on the fox shocks and ended their day of racing. It is a small braided line.

Think on it we can do whatever you can afford/prefer.

I will be going piggy back for now on, on all of my sportsman type cars for cleanliness, ease of mounting, easy cooling and mounting is no extra cost and does not get in the way of making a nice hood or body for the car.

Think on it.


Here is the two set ups.

Take a look at the large hooped hoses sticking up and the reservoirs themselves mounted out in the open on the hood to keep them cooler.





And the simple piggy back mounted on to the same front end.








The back is even worse as the two shocks are right on one another.


Clean piggy back will be like this, clean and smooth no hoses or mounting to the frame.


Or like this where the hoses had to get special fittings to make them turn and not hit my other shock and longer hoses had to be added. Costing even more.



But I am not talking you into anything. As I have done we will make them work and we will make them better using what I have learned and both of your guys great ideas it will be even better either way.

Just a heads up of the differences I have ran into.




The spacers were 3 inch total not counting the heims that go onto the arm.
Then they usually get welded on and a lot of guys make double shear plates
on the top to hold them even better.

We will make it work no worries.

I know I can not help with all the technical stuff in this post but I wanted to say how nice all your hard work is turning out! I can not wait to see this car built and done.

Good job guys!!

By the way I have your shirts here!! next time you come by make sure you get them from me

Thanks Pepper! We try to do the best we can / know how. And we appreciate the encouragement!!!

Tut you forgot to mention your thought on 5/8" shaft or 7/8" shaft for the front shocks. Let me know what you think, I am going order the springs Monday but he can't get the 300lbs for a month, so we are going to get 275lb instead, then if we don't like it we'll get the 300lb ones later.

I am working on trying to make the next race, I have to work that Sat. but its a night race right? If I can we'll show up on Sat some time. Race starts at 4:00?

Thanks

Hey Tut, you have any pics of the back of KITT? Curious how you mounted your spare and jack.

I'm sorry about that go with the larger shaft to be safe if it's not to much more.
I have the larger shaft size and have never hurt, bent or broken one in 9 years.
To be safe I would especialy knowing your going to race it if it's not to much more.

Sorry about forgetting to post that.



The 275 will be a fine top coil set up i'm sure. Especially with your smaller tires you should have less weight, unsprung weight and that 25 pounds compared to mine should be fine actually. A hair more valving and you won't even know they are lighter. Plus your frame is a little lighter than mine too.
No worries I think your going to be fine with them. Plus that's the top spring
so it is all good.

Diirk I mounted and welded an actual tire carrier sold from Kartek onto
my cross tube that is just in front of my engine.
I then just strap my high lift jack onto that cross bar where I added a couple "L" tabs for it to rest on. I don't have any pics right now. Plus she is out in the trailer so little hard to take pics. But if you need I will get one.

you could buy some of those bolt on tubing clamps and make your own tire carrier and then that goes over the engine. Remove it by un bolting it when you get home to get to the motor if need be.
Did that on several cars at Mosebillt.

Thanks for the info. If you get a chance, I'd love to see a picture. Anyhow, I'll be checking the forums too, to see how other folks are mounting their jacks. It seems that most folks are using floor jacks, but I was thinking a bottle jack would work well too, but I don't see anyone using them. Do you have any idea why?

I have some tabs on the bacl of the chassis, where I set set something up. Not really sure if I want to add another spare tire, or just some type of tray to hold a tool kit and jack....

Bottle jacks take to many pumps to open.
Floor jacks are light in aluminum anyways and can come in auto lift where
with one pump they go up and reach the bottom of your car.
Or at least they have some with fewer pumps etc.

They have a larger base so the don't sink into dirt and sand and can have a flat plate bolted onto them to keep them from sinking more.

They are just the fastest easiest way to change a flat and safest with a bottle
they can slip or fall over easier.

Well cool good luck and I will see what I can do for a pick.
Check out Kartek they have a few different styles etc.

I've been looking at the DirtTech one.

Is that the system that comes with there aluminum jack? Or do you have to provide the jack. Also how much is their system?

High lift jacks from offroad shops are pretty cool and you can find some nice lighter weight types and they can just be made to strap in our clamp on pretty simply. Our high lift just bunjies on with those small bunjies with the balls and hoop style. About 6 of them hold it into it's cradle.



Not sure if these will help but a couple pics.

It is just a cross bar with a mount that sticks upwards and holds your spare up off your motor and carb for me. Then you can either bolt the spare on or strap it on with a big tie down.


Here it is off and you can just make out the stand sticking up without the spare on it.


Here it is with the high lift. It is read and you can see it bunjied on.

I hadn't even thought of using a Highlift. Not a bad idea. Are you just hooking under the frame?

The DirtTech one pictured does not include the jack and costs $125. It's designed for a Craftsman aluminum jack. Kind of pricey.

Do they make the Highlift jack in aluminum? We have a steel one but they are kind of heavy. Oh well we'll cross that bridge when we get there. I ordered the springs yesterday, Just waiting for $$$ for the shocks.

Mine is metal but it is pretty light weight.
You have to check it out. It was passed down from my brother in laws grandfather and he passed it to me for racing. Very cool and simple.
Wait tell you see it. Remind me to show you how cool this thing works and
how simple it is to use. Plus fast to use too.




Cool about the springs. We will have to bring your car over and set it all up when you get the shocks.
We won't need the springs to do it but the shocks for sure.

Sweet moving right a long.
Good job.

I may be ordering the shocks today or tommorrow. Just need to talk to one other person before I place the order.

Another nice thing about the high lift - you can use it as a winch when you get stuck in silt or sand. it ratchets together, just as easy as ratcheting apart. I've used mine to roll the racecar back over also.

I bought the high-lift brackets and welded them to the cage, but they just broke, so I bungie it just like Tut's.

-James

Yeah I like them, and have used them for many things. I've used it to pulled out fence posts and stuff other than auto or offroading. I may see if they have an aluminum one though. But we'll use our steel one at first anyway.

Mine is really different than anyone I have ever seen as it is a screw drive.
It actually screws up or down. Really fast too.
Very strong and 3 feet of lift is awesome. Plus the weight is half as much as
the other high lifts of today I have seen. Make sure I show it to you guys
when you stop by next time.

Ya the high lift is ideal for racing especially for lower budget racing where we don't have chase crews in 4x4s just standing by to pull us out etc. The high lift can get you unstuck etc. Very cool.

Hey Tut, I am try to gather parts together so we can set up the suspension pretty soon. Even though we will not have the bypasses till later, we still want to be set up for them.

My question is what do you do for the bottom shock mount? Do you make your own, if so can you give me some dimension and I'll make some or which ones do you get? Chassis shop has some nice shock mounts but no dual shock mounts. I could just put individual ones on. Anyway let me know.

Also what steel / size should we bring when we do it?

Thanks again

You don't need to bring any metal I have what you need no worries.


As for tabs I used these by cutting a little off the back for the blue dual sport and they worked out nice.
http://www.pacificcustoms.com/AC750721.html

They do have individual tabs etc.
Whatever you prefer. Also check in mini buggy with Kludge he has some nice mounts that may work. They say they are for 1 1/4 tube but we may be able to open them up or he may be ablte to? for inch and a half tube?


The top search around and maybe find something cool you like if not the standard tabs work just fine. These.
http://www.pacificcustoms.com/AC750761.html

Also did you see this kit for mounting up a charlynn?
http://www.pacificcustoms.com/AC750810.html
That is really nice!

You might be able to use a couple of these for bottom mounts
http://www.pacificcustoms.com/AC750722.html


Without the bypass we will not be able to build the top mount as we need the coil over and bypass to bottom out at pretty much the same time. So having it is worth waiting for to do this. If not bring it by as a roller etc. later and we can add it.
At least this way you will be a roller and we can add the bypass mount later.
I am fine with you guys coming back by again whenever you like.

Well I got a little more done. Here are a couple pics of the tranny mounted up, And the seats / steering. Hopefully it will be a roller pretty soon.

You and your dad are doing really top notch work and it shows.
I like the little brace you added on the single front tranny tabs... it is needed
and good call putting it on.

What did you end up doing for the front little tab?

I like the taller seat tabs good job.. man you are getting closer and closer.
Good work and I look forward to having you guys come over and lets finish making her a roller and get your shocks on!

Thanks we are try to do as best we can or know how. On the front tab I just left it for now as it makes putting the tranny in and out easy for 1 person. I must have had that thing in and out at least 10 times making sure everything was where I wanted it. Plus I put the 930 drive flanges on it as well, so we can measure for axles!!!!

Hope to go to Kartek and get the shocks on next Sat.
Then we get everything else that we need to come and visit you for a day of suspension stuff!!

Happy 4th everyone!!!

Allen

Hey Tut,

We are probably going to Kartek to get the shock next weekend, Do they come with a standard valving? or do we have to kinda spec them out? I know we can change them whenever, just curious about the initial valving.

anyway we are getting the foxes, I think they will be cheaper in the long run after we learn how to valve/rebuild them ourselves.

see ya!

Usually I have always just picked up the standard 60/40 with the fox shocks.


I don't know what mine are or I would let you know.
They are from so long ago they were set up for a truck or something.
So I took a good amount of compression and some rebound out of the fronts.
The back are still the same I believe as the 60/40 and I just used my bypass to make final adjustments on them and all has been great.

I Look forward to working on it with you guys whenever you want.

Well we went to kartek and got some more goodies for the car! We only have to get a few more pieces and then we can get over to Tut's and get this thing on wheels! Can't wait to get the shocks on there, oh well pretty soon!

Seeyou all at the races!
Allen

All right, here is a pic of the car getting ready to go and get some shocks!!! WooHoo!!

See you early Tut and Pepper.
Allen

Wow looks good on the trailer..
Please bring one shock of each size and I picked up the bypass shocks today so your all set.
See you guys in the morning, can't wait.

Damn is that a mini rhino on the front of the trailer. that thing looks really little.

Yup a mini rhino (electric). I bringin' my boys and gotta keep em' busy!!

Well I am shocked...I thought when I opened the garage at 6am I would have seen you guys in the driveway already....

Not excited or anything...

I am sorry I can not be there for b-fast, had to work myself this am, but I will be bringing home lunch for ya!

Have fun be careful in the garage today!

Almost got there at about 0650!

Anyway we just wanted to thanks to Pepper and Tut for being so nice and feeding the Kids and us. Also thanks for letting them watch spongebob, they really like that stuff and they get bored in the garage with me, so BIG thanks for that!!!

Also thanks to Jason and Christine for the cookies and helping us out there! If any of you ever get over this way and needs something just let me know and I'll do what I can for ya.

Thanks to TUT for working all day on our car your knowledge is invaluable to us. We learned a lot today.

I will post some pics when I get a chance to load some up, gonna sleep now got another big day tommorrow!!

Allen

You guys are totally welcome.
I enjoy hanging out with you and hope I was able to pass a little of what I have learned on to you..... before I forgot it all I am glad to share it with you.

Hey no worries about helping out all day as you did the same for me by hanging out at my race all day and into the night chasing and coming to our rescue at the race so you are totally welcome!
Plus thanks so much for giving me all those tabs.. that was really cool thank you.



Well I have a couple pics but I can not wait to see what you took and especially later when she is on all fours with the shocks on her and the Ultra Foxx shocks off of her


Here is what I have.

Setting up the coil over shock with then new pre made shock brackets like what Kludge sales is really nice and they look great.
Here is the back shock:



Clean simple and nice, I like them a lot.

We had to make up some of our own mounting and used tabs for the bypass shocks as they are much larger and have much larger ends and will not fit into the smaller shock brackets.



(Oh and Jay check out the Mini Rhino in the pic!! sweet.. you so should have ridden in it.. ha ha.. )

Here is a photo from behind, please take note of how the coil over shaft and the bypass shaft are nearly perfectly in line with one another. This reduces wear, heat, shaft bending and makes for easy installation or removal of the shocks.



Wheel travel in the back is just a hair over 17" inches with the bypass bottoming out first so it will control the ride of the car at all times.
That is real world usable wheel travel with 4.5" of ground clearance at full compression with a 30 inch tire.


On the front again the small nice pre made up shock brackets are the ticket.
They are clean, simple pre shaped and set up and really save time on your fab work and set up time for you. Totally worth getting some.
Plus again they look great. You can contact Kludge about buying some as he has them or the Chassis shop.




One more




Also take a look at how much smaller and lower this shock mounting set up is over my car. 1st off their car uses a 10" shock and so the entire upper mounting brackets are a total of 7" lower than "Kitt". I can not wait for the day when I have both time and money to switch over and re do her front.. this turned out very clean and simple.
Plus one single bar goes all the way across the car making the front shock mount very strong and really will make the car stable as one shock will push and transfer across the car to the other shock.
This set up is only 2.5" tall above the frame. Now that is impressive and El Diablo is talking about running the hood right over the mount which will look great I think.

Plus the most exciting news is this front set up has over 17" of wheel travel and with some minor clearancing will give them 18" of wheel travel!!
Very cool and that will really help to handle the bumps and get you out there racing and having fun!

Here is a photo of just the front shock mounting system showing how clean, simple but actually very strong it turned out.




Well that was a great day in the garage.
We managed to get all the shock mounts done and now El Diablo just has welding to do and finish working out the rack mounting with the shock mounts done he now knows what he needs to do to adjust his steering and tie rods.

Then it is just store bought items, time and money to finish up "Dusty" for the next race season.

Really great looking mini race car guys she is looking great.
I love all the extra double shear brackets and work you guys are doing to her.


Well if you ever need anything just let me know but I think you guys are pretty well set and just need time and the all mighty dollar or many to finish her up and be read for next season.

Send me all the questions you have and I will do my best to answer them.
We will meet up and do some testing pre running at any time you are ready.

Talk to you soon and look forward to seeing your pics.

Hey guys, everything looks great...
I was glad to be there to feed you guys. It is really no problem.
Your boys were very well behaved.

Christine, yeah for cookies (oh and my little extra surprise)!! Not to mention the great company. It was very nice to have someone to hang out with.

I think Dusty is coming along great and cant wait to see more pics.

Jay, BUY A HOUSE...you could see the look on your face of "i can do this and i can do that and we should do...and I cant wait"
I wish I was here sooner to see you and Christine in Trinity...It would have been a good pic!


We will be here for you when you are ready!

Babe it is always great to see how wonderful your ideas and welding all turn out...Your very good and very knowledgeable and always throwing out new ideas.

OK here are a few more pics from Sat.

Well I got most of the welding done, just need to do a little more to the front and then get the right front shock and it's a roller! Here are a few pics from today!!

Man that is looking great.. especially the red and black combo on the shocks they really stand out.

I see the reservoirs moved over very cool.

Great job and that was quick.
Well done and thanks for sharing the pics.

Cool, we got the arms flipped around and things look good now. Also we got the front shock issue resolved and its now a roller!! So we had to throw the motor in it just to check it out

We are going to change some things on this motor so it will run cooler and better for racing and not just short trips in the dunes.








and one more we thru a VW in a rhino

I think with everyone seeing what the heck I was doing with my front end no one saw the new pics.. dang.


Anyways I love the VW Rhino!!
Jason look man a VW Rhino... you know you want one!




The car really looks great it is an updated version of Kitt all the way and
is just turning out awesome.
I can not wait for you guys to take it out.

Very cool keep us updated please.

What ever Tut!!!!!! ANYWAYS

The buggy looks real good. Cant wait to see it fly but on the track.

Just a quick update, We have got the brake lines in but not buttoned down totally yet, We also have been doing some work to the engine, just mior stuff. Also we got the shifter and linkage in place, it needs some adjustment but we will wait till we get the trans rebuilt before fine tuning it.

I'll try and post some pics when I can, my lovely bride has take the camera away from me for a while!! (It's hers anyway for work!)

thanks
Allen

Oh wow you have been busy.
I look forward to seeing some pics.
Cool keep us posted and I am working on that fuel cell for ya

So any updates?
Fuel Cell maybe?

I hope to see you and the wives we hear you have but have never met at the Powder Puff race this weekend.
Saturday the 10th.

Well we have done a liitle work to the car, we got the fuel cell in, but that is about it. I've had to take a break for a minute, but will get to it again soon. Sorry we didn't make the powdwer puff race, I had to work. We will talk to you soon.