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 Life, the Universe, and Everything.
Bulbasaur
Posted: Mar 23 2007, 08:58 PM


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You know, I'm not sure I believe people who say they've had out of body experiences, or meeting people in dreams, because it sounds too...unlogical to me.

I guess that proving you can do all that, I would prove that God exists. I want to believe there's a higher power, but that doesn't fit with the order of science, and logic.

Maybe I don't want proof. Then I might have proof that God exists.

But, religion was created my man to give people a reason to better themselves. I know it isn't real, but mind clings to the "existance" of God.

What's your opinion?
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Mew
Posted: Mar 23 2007, 09:01 PM


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QUOTE (Bulbasaur @ Mar 23 2007, 09:58 PM)
You know, I'm not sure I believe people who say they've had out of body experiences, or meeting people in dreams, because it sounds too...unlogical to me.

I guess that proving you can do all that, I would prove that God exists. I want to believe there's a higher power, but that doesn't fit with the order of science, and logic.

Maybe I don't want proof. Then I might have proof that God exists.

But, religion was created my man to give people a reason to better themselves. I know it isn't real, but mind clings to the "existance" of God.

What's your opinion?

interesting thoughts.
What do you think happens when you die? Do you simply go to sleep forever? or does some spirit or energy live on?
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Bulbasaur
Posted: Mar 23 2007, 09:03 PM


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Dieing? Think of it this way: What did you feel before you were born? Nothing. You didn't exist. I figure it'll be like that. That actually terrifies me.
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Mew
Posted: Mar 23 2007, 09:05 PM


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ok. that's not a very pleasant belief >_<
Just remember that at one point in time, the earth "logically" was flat.
Humans do not understand everything. not even close.
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Bulbasaur
Posted: Mar 23 2007, 09:08 PM


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But we need logic. If a god exists, that goes against everything! Evolution will be thrown away, and everything will be answered by "God did it".
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Mew
Posted: Mar 23 2007, 09:10 PM


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QUOTE (Bulbasaur @ Mar 23 2007, 10:08 PM)
But we need logic. If a god exists, that goes against everything! Evolution will be thrown away, and everything will be answered by "God did it".

What caused the big bang? Why is there a universe in the first place?
Why do atoms like to have 8 valence electrons? why does mass attract mass? Why does life exist?
There are some things that just are.
God doesn't necessarily conflict with science.
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Bulbasaur
Posted: Mar 23 2007, 09:14 PM


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And why does "God" favour humans? We are simply a race of animals with a larger brain.
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Mew
Posted: Mar 23 2007, 09:18 PM


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QUOTE (Bulbasaur @ Mar 23 2007, 10:14 PM)
And why does "God" favour humans? We are simply a race of animals with a larger brain.

ask him. I'm not god.
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Bulbasaur
Posted: Mar 23 2007, 09:21 PM


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O_o ...Or are you?

It all makes sense now.
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Mew
Posted: Mar 23 2007, 09:24 PM


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QUOTE (Bulbasaur @ Mar 23 2007, 10:21 PM)
O_o ...Or are you?

It all makes sence now.

^_^
Something had to define the laws of physics in the first place.
And with evolution, perhaps the same entity tipped luck in favor for human life and other life to evolve a certain way. I would consider that creation wouldn't you?
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Bulbasaur
Posted: Mar 23 2007, 09:30 PM


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But if the universe is infinite (or part of a mulit-verse), then, chances are, there will be multiple "Goldylox Zones", where the conditions are just right for life.

I figure that there is a certain order, a pattern if you will, in the universe. There are infinite possibilities, with an equil chance of anything happening.
But, when something happens that follows a number of paths, and not others, the unexeptable possibilities are "deleted", and each remaining chance becomes more and more likely to happen.

Like a computer program. If you do one thing first, then a certain path cannot be used because your action, and the path's first steps aren't the same.
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Mew
Posted: Mar 23 2007, 09:33 PM


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QUOTE (Bulbasaur @ Mar 23 2007, 10:30 PM)
But if the universe is infinite (or part of a mulit-verse), then, chances are, there will be multiple "Goldylox Zones", where the conditions are just right for life.

I figure that there is a certain order, a pattern if you will, in the universe. There are infinite possibilities, with an equil chance of anything happening.
But, when something happens that follows a number of paths, and not others, the unexeptable possibilities are "deleted", and each remaining chance becomes more and more likely to happen.

Like a computer program. If you do one thing first, then a certain path cannot be used because your action, and the path's first steps aren't the same.

ok. does this have something to do with the god debate?
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Bulbasaur
Posted: Mar 23 2007, 09:34 PM


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I mean that the universe must work in a logical way, so there cannot be a godly existance. It just doesn't fit.
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Mew
Posted: Mar 23 2007, 09:35 PM


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QUOTE (Bulbasaur @ Mar 23 2007, 10:34 PM)
I mean that the universe must work in a logical way, so there cannot be a godly existance. It just doesn't fit.

You said there were infinite possibilities right?
What choses which path we start on out of infinite?
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Bulbasaur
Posted: Mar 23 2007, 09:56 PM


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Chance.

If you blow up the moon, the universe won't travel down the path of the moon existing. What happens, happens.
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