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 "You lie!", Hypocrisy at its best
Spartan198
Posted: Sep 16 2009, 12:24 AM


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You know, with all this talk of Congressman Joe Wilson's outburst directed toward Barack Obama and how people want him punished for it... I can't help but think how hypocritical this is considering that if an outburst like that had been directed at George Bush in the exact same situation, the world would have hailed the individual making it as a national hero.

Why is it that Democrats can call Republicans liars and they're heroes, yet the moment a Republican calls a Democrat a liar, he/she is chastised, scorned, and demanded to step down?

Did we suddenly become the United Socialist States of America by voting Barack Obama into office? As soon as I hit "submit" for this topic, is my house suddenly going to be buzzed by black unmarked helicopters and the "secret police" going to smash my front door in and "disappear" me for stating this thought?
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Posted: Sep 16 2009, 04:23 AM


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I hadn't heard about this one. But from what I saw when I Googled it, it sounds like he did it while Obama was making a speech. And that is the reason for the Democrats getting their panties in a bunch. It was not the time nor the place for such comments, and I have to agree. It was rude and obnoxious. He should have done that at another time.

As for it being ok for folks to do the same to Bush, every single time anyone dogged on him the Republicans reacted just like the Democrats are now. It is only natural to defend your side, and the way it seems that is all this is about.

I still say the best thing that could happen to the United States is for the American people to rise up in revolt and demand what is our right by virtue of our Constitution, a government that is for the people, by the people, not the select few who are super rich. Because as it stands now, only the rich seem to have any rights, while the rest of the population is supposed to bend over and say thank you for screwing us.


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Posted: Sep 16 2009, 08:24 AM


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I hadn't heard about this one. But from what I saw when I Googled it, it sounds like he did it while Obama was making a speech. And that is the reason for the Democrats getting their panties in a bunch. It was not the time nor the place for such comments, and I have to agree. It was rude and obnoxious. He should have done that at another time.

Whether or not it was the right time and place to do it aside, it's quickly turning into a witch hunt. Wilson has apologized for it and Obama has accepted that apology, but nobody will let it go. But basically put, he was speaking his mind, something everyone has the right to do, and people are demanding he resign/be fired/etc. for it.

But if you think about it logically, where's the best place to call out someone who you believe is lying? When that someone is on the spot, on the pedestal, or under the spotlight, right?

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As for it being ok for folks to do the same to Bush, every single time anyone dogged on him the Republicans reacted just like the Democrats are now. It is only natural to defend your side, and the way it seems that is all this is about.

That's my point. Both sides have the right to speak out, yet both sides demand the other be punished for doing so. This whole unnecessary war between Republicans and Democrats is really tearing our government apart when it should be united.

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I still say the best thing that could happen to the United States is for the American people to rise up in revolt and demand what is our right by virtue of our Constitution, a government that is for the people, by the people, not the select few who are super rich. Because as it stands now, only the rich seem to have any rights, while the rest of the population is supposed to bend over and say thank you for screwing us.

More like they want us to bend over and say "All hail King Obama", because that's the message I'm getting from this "fiasco".
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Posted: Sep 17 2009, 04:21 AM


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Whether or not it was the right time and place to do it aside, it's quickly turning into a witch hunt. Wilson has apologized for it and Obama has accepted that apology, but nobody will let it go. But basically put, he was speaking his mind, something everyone has the right to do, and people are demanding he resign/be fired/etc. for it.

But if you think about it logically, where's the best place to call out someone who you believe is lying? When that someone is on the spot, on the pedestal, or under the spotlight, right?


I don't think it's turned into a witch hunt. I watch about 5 hours of news every morning. Usually from 5:30 am till 9 am when my American Justice comes on, and I only saw one small mention of it in the news yesterday. Wilson had the right to speak his mind, but he didn't have the right to be rude like that. He could have still said what he did but waited for Obama to finish speaking. There is almost always a chance for comments at the end of the Presidential Addresses, that would have been the time to do it, not while he was speaking.

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That's my point. Both sides have the right to speak out, yet both sides demand the other be punished for doing so. This whole unnecessary war between Republicans and Democrats is really tearing our government apart when it should be united.


I think what they oppose is the fashion in which those moments of "speaking out" are done. Most generally they do so at the most inappropriate time. It is almost never acceptable to try to publicly embarrass someone. You would think that they would have better manners than that, but it isn't surprising that they don't. Most of them are immoral crooks.

Our government was broken already, and has been since around the time of the Civil War when most of the corruption began. As I've said many times, the only thing that will help our government is a good 'ole fashioned spring cleaning, and get rid of them all and start from scratch.

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More like they want us to bend over and say "All hail King Obama", because that's the message I'm getting from this "fiasco".


I don't think that's the case at all. I really don't understand why everybody is so against Obama. He is trying his best to fix what Bush screwed up, and hasn't had all that much time in which to get stuff done yet. I've said it before, and I'm saying it again, Bush had 8 years in which to screw us, and he did so with a vengeance. There is not going to be any quick fix, it is going to take time for things to get better, and they will get worse before that happens. I say folks need to start placing the blame where it belongs, and that is with Bush. He is the one who caused all the problems, not Obama. But it is Obama who is taking the heat for it because he can't wave a magic wand and fix things. At least he's trying instead of what Bush did and that was nothing but advance his own interests.

Will Obama end his administration and go down as a good President? It is still to early to judge that, and that is the real point. He has been in office now for 9 months, people can't expect him to be able to fix what took 8 years to break in 9 months.


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Posted: Nov 2 2009, 11:34 AM


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Our government was broken already, and has been since around the time of the Civil War when most of the corruption began.

If anything, the Civil War is what caused it...

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I still say the best thing that could happen to the United States is for the American people to rise up in revolt and demand what is our right by virtue of our Constitution, a government that is for the people, by the people, not the select few who are super rich. Because as it stands now, only the rich seem to have any rights, while the rest of the population is supposed to bend over and say thank you for screwing us.

How sure are you that any new government would be better? How do you know the country wouldn't get a military dictatorship or something like that in return? For all the freedoms we hold dear, they could easily take the very documents that protect those freedoms and put them through a shredder. As much as we would like to think otherwise, our rights are not guaranteed by any stretch.
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Posted: Nov 3 2009, 04:48 AM


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If anything, the Civil War is what caused it...


To some extent it did.

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How sure are you that any new government would be better? How do you know the country wouldn't get a military dictatorship or something like that in return? For all the freedoms we hold dear, they could easily take the very documents that protect those freedoms and put them through a shredder. As much as we would like to think otherwise, our rights are not guaranteed by any stretch.


We can't be sure, but our government as it stands now is broken, and not working for us. What good are our freedoms when our government can get away with only upholding those that are good for them, the government. Our government isn't concerned with the "people" a bit, but only with what money they can make and what power they can gain.



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Spartan198
Posted: Nov 3 2009, 05:56 AM


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QUOTE (Ashe @ Nov 3 2009, 04:48 AM)
We can't be sure, but our government as it stands now is broken, and not working for us. What good are our freedoms when our government can get away with only upholding those that are good for them, the government. Our government isn't concerned with the "people" a bit, but only with what money they can make and what power they can gain.

It's a lot better than a violent dictatorship, where people are executed for saying things like this:

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I still say the best thing that could happen to the United States is for the American people to rise up in revolt and demand what is our right by virtue of our Constitution, a government that is for the people, by the people, not the select few who are super rich. Because as it stands now, only the rich seem to have any rights, while the rest of the population is supposed to bend over and say thank you for screwing us.
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