President Bush, Be Respectful

[Aryk]

I am taking the plunge. I was wondering what you all think of our Commander in Chief. Do you approve of him? Do you disapprove?

[Metallicgunner]

heh no comment...

[Aryk]

I liked him for a while. He stood up for what I believed in. But as this has all drawn out, I disabprove of his decisions more and more. Just recently one of his decisions affected me financially and it reallly ticked me off. I just want to see something done about this war and gas prices. I will still stand behind my country and it's leaders, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I know he is not the only one making these decesions either.

Now be nice.

[Tiffany]

President Bush's requested for a vote in Congress authorizing the use of force against Iraq is what set the stage for the momentous debate. The Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein is viewed by many key policymakers as an unstable leader who has launched missiles at Isreal & deployed weapons against Kurds, in northern Iraq. I for one am glad that Bush was able to wage war against Iraqi, even with all the problems and other little things also tossed into the pot.
I could go more into the war and mention the Sept. 11 factor with the terrorist and all. But that would just be repeating things you already know. What bothers me is what we don't know, we've all heard about the Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD), but we have no proof such things exsist. Different veiw points are on that, Do you think they exist or not?

Think of it this way. Someone made a threat against you, a more serious one at that (like killing your family and making you watch). Would you just stand there and nod, thinking he was just kidding. Or would you get into his face about it, telling him not to even joke about things like that? -Thats how I veiw it to some extent.

Osama bin Laden, Saddam they're all leaders who (at least I think) wanted their names to be remembered in history. Good or Bad, they attacked the one country that would assure their remembrence. I can't even go to school and start talking about politics without hearing about the Sept 11 attack.

But that is the main point of what people (at least around here) know about Bush. I know a little more but the main thought into all I've mentioned is that I am for Bush. -Of course, I've done my research on some of the Cons of why people "dislike" our president. And instead saying deal with it, I took a look to form my judgement (even though you shouldn't judge) on the issue completely.

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The war not only killed a few of our U.S. Soldiers but also made prices skyrocket. The U.S. military stretched out to take away resources for the effort to root out the al-Qaeda terror network. There was an assassination attempt against Afghanistan President Hamid, as evidence of how much work the U.S. has to do to secure their country (Afghanistan). Then theres another veiw point to take into account, what about the weapons of mass destruction in Iran, Iraq?

"an arrogant power...a nation that neither listens nor hears." is how U.S. is seen by other countries. There has been assistance in breaking up the terrorist network however.

Israel was believed to be the next avaliable target for Saddam, it was said to be where he would've striked next. But still the debate on the war was still questionable even to those closer to it.

"We believe it will open the gates of hell in the Middle East."
"We're going to face a country which has been shattered over the last three decades. It's not going to be an easy task to put it back together"

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Now. Enough about the war (even though thats mainly what people debate over around here)

Bush is a good president, of course he can't make everyone happy, of course he's bond to make mistakes. Just like every president before him, they all didn't fit you perfectly, they all had to make difficult choices for the country, but thats part of what it's all about.

I know Price gases and everything else is hard to accept- I mean theres a reserve for wild horses but sense they found oil on it they're allowed to kill these beautiful animals again.

My point is, I agree with him, I might not like everything he thinks of, or anyone else in congress, but he's our president, and will be for awhile.

If you don't like him, think of it this way, he can't get a third term,

[Metallicgunner]

Im pretty sure they exist...do you know how easy it is to buy chemicals and make somthin deadly from them and as for bombs ..take the london bombings for instance those were just teenagers albiet probably brainwashed into doing it but still they are not hard to make.
Just hope they do not make A-bombs >.<

[seightenne]

well, i'll be going to iraq at the end of next month. i'm in germany now, and surrounded by terrorist organisations that want to see me hurt. i have some pretty strong feelings about the whole thing. being an american soldier, there are some thoughts and feelings about it that are simply expected of me by the general public, but my logic and line of thinking stray me from the norm on the subject.

the way i see it, bush and his lackies (mostly his lackies), want to run things. now the hows and whatnot about the whole thing i won't really get in to because i'm aware that they're controversial. needless to say, i don't think we had too much business being there as long as we have been, but a powerful industrial nation such as ours has a high demand of a "bad guy" for the propagation of a healthy economy. war is a big driver of our american economy, and i don't see it changing much. production is the key, and what demands more production than an assembly line for tanks, missles, and ammunition. not to mention the funding being fed into the economy by the government to big business to develop new technologies and then mass produce them. we have a very large army, and the more tiny nations that we can get to use our products, the better off we are. with the fall of the berlin wall, communism was essentially washed up. before then, communism was our advasary, and spreading democracy was the big deal. and how did we spread democracy? but going into communist strong small countries and supplying the enemies of communism with our weapons (at a discounted price, of course.). that has been the main motivational drive behind our military activities for quite a while now. vietnam / panama / nicuragua / east timor / etc. now that communism has fallen, we were in need of a new adversary to freak america out and give us a burning drive for more war. terrorism is the perfect solution to this. bear with me now. i know that alot of people don't like to hear this point of view, because it's nasty and goes against everything that people hold dear to them as himan beings. terrorism is a non-centralised phenomenon, which can allow controls to be put in place in america (patriot act I and II), and can never really be completely wiped out due to the non-centralised nature of it. it operates in cells, which means they answer to no one higher power. if you look at a list of organisations that are on the list of terrorist organisations, you'd be quite surprised to see what turns up. even the name, TERRORISM, is intimidating to think about, and makes people intimidated by it. the truth of the matter is that the particular terrorists that we're dealing with now have ties that originated right here in the united states. the year is 1981, and russia is moving through afghanistan not dissimilar to the way the nazis rolled through stallingrad. the afghani people are weak, and uneducated, and for the most part highly unorganized and underequiped. the russians are slaughtering these people. being the upstanding nation that we are, we decided to bring democracy to these allah fearing people under the ominous threat of a hostile communist take over. so we teach them. we teach them how to fight a superpower if you're just a tiny country. how do you do that you might ask? terrorism. entire villages were being wiped out by russian tankers. all you have is some old mortar shells you stole off a tank, or a gunship, some old ak's that you got from a corpse, and mebe an rpg or so. how you gonna take on this army of tanks? guerilla tactics. take those mortar rounds you have and put a detonation cap on them. wait for the tanks to roll by and then pull the strings. take taken out, and you didn't even have a mortar tube. that wasn't going to stop the mighty russia, though. so we taught them new tricks. conventional warfare is fought entirely on economics. you don't have the economy to build the tanks/guns/rockets/bullets, then you don't have much of a war. and who ACTUALLY builds these things? the people in russia. what's the best way to kill an economy? bring it to a stand still by instilling fear in the hearts of the masses. they started bombing russian apartment complexes, clubs, factories. the people became afraid to leave their houses. it was ironic in a way. the stalin era soviets used to same type of shinanigans to control the people into doing the exact opposite of what the terrorists were doing to kill the will of russia. and... it paid off. russia was out. the afghanis were seasoned terrorists, and they had their own place back. who was the head hancho of the guys we were training? none other than osama himself. he's done so many operations with american SF that it's silly.

now the question is... what would spawn a hatred of america in them. so much so that they attack us. maybe the muslim ideals are that diametrically opposed to freedom, ham sandwiches, and the american way of life that they needed to commit an act of mass murder that was unprecedented. maybe, but i don't think so. that sure sounds inspirational, though doesn't it. sounds real pretty. man they attacked us because they hate freedom. well, i don't think it went down like that. ok you got bush senior in office. sadam is testing chemical weapons on the kurds. we've had people mention similar ideas right here in america. matter of fact the turks wiped out the armenians in an act of genocide that we conveniently disreguarded and it barely even made the news. then iraq aspires too high. they start throwing scuds at isreal. that's bad business, being that we isreal is a big buyer of our equipment (they take our m1a1 abrahams, and make them better, actually). so we move in to put a little smack down on ole saddam. coincidentally, stock in bush sr's corporation were going up through the roof... now fast forward. it's 2001. bush junior is in charge of a major oil business that spawned fom his daddies, and it's doing horribly. the other people involved in this very same business are people like... cheney. then all of a sudden we have this airplane crashing into the twin towers, and the pentagon (actually it's disputed that it was ACTUALLY a missle fired into the pentagon, but that's debateable, therefore will be overlooked at this time.). we move into afghanistan, and put our own form of government in. now the government in afghanistan just looooves us. they were the little guys there before. now they're the freakin governing body. we hook them up with some discounts. then we decide that since we're over there we need to go get those terrorists that are in iraq, because it wasn't (actually still going on quite heatedly) a war against afghanistan, but a war against terrorism, and we got the big guys next door with the "nukes" to take care of. so we move in. and low nd behold, we're still there today. the government is in place, and the troops are training. they get a cool discount too. now it's to be understood that the population is split. some of them liked things the way they were and they see us coming in and attacking the head of their government as an act of war, and what do you know. lots of people in the world agree with them. even our allies over in turkey wouldn't look us in the eye for that one, and told us to get our planes out of their.

now the turks, their our allies, but let me tell you. i don't live in america. i live in germany. here in germany, turkish people are very plentiful, and they hate our guts. well, one could say that they love our guts, because they stab alot of soldiers. mebe they just want to see some guts that they love so much. you might have seen a peaceful protest in america, for or against the war in iraq. but have you ever seen one that's entirely populated by displaced iraqis? i have. they don't like us too much. the country is split in two. half of them love us, and the other half hate us. now here in america, for a nation changing decision to be made. it's not a 49% 51% vote that gets the win, you need a full 3/4 of the congress and house to agree to it. but we're bigger than them, and they're a profitable bunch, so we'll be there for quite a while. i've got 5 more years to go and i expect to get deployed to iraq at least 3 times total before my purgatory is over. i'll be going next month. now, being of this frame of mind, you would think that i would object to the whole thing. well, i've always been a bit of a social darwinist. i don't object to it at all. it's a new world out there. imperialism can't be the same as it was when rome was the new pink. no, there's a great flow of information out there. information is EASILY available. we got satellites, laser range finders, UN, NATO, big brother. one can't just decide to own a country. what's the best way to own the country without actually invading? outsourcing.

well, that's all i have to say about that.
hate me if you want, but just remember. i'll be there, and you (with a couple exceptions) won't, so i'm entitled to my wierd opinions of the way the world works.

[Stormy Weathers]

you got my support..cousin of mine been itchin to go out (marines) like an itch you just cant quite scratch. People can have opinions but until youre actually physically in it yourself, better to keep em to yourself and be supportive of the guys out there keeping us here at home nice and cushy

[Tiffany]

pfft I might not be physically in it myself, even though I am supportive to them being out there,but yeah, if you know me I'm gonna say whats on my mind. and before I forget, I agree with ya Seightenne-makes alot of sense. Being my age I don't get to hear much about the details that people don't want to share w/ me. But still good veiw point. *nods*

Anywho I couldn't help but say that Stormy!

[Metallicgunner]

Personally i think all fire arms,bombs ect should be destroyed and go back to the day with sword and wits

[Tiffany]

but but but I just got that new ABomb they sell down the street!!!! *cries* Noooo OOOooo we must never get rid of the bombs they pwn us all

[Aryk]

I always say thank you to Stormy and Merlex for all they do for us on this shard, but I must give a great big thank you to seightenne for fighting for my freedom and putting his life on the line for me.

Thank you so much! You are are on my prayers!