Obvious crappy image hackjob on MS Paint is obvious XD


So, yah ^=^ I just sketched these up in a jiffy, man these characters are so much fun to work with. The first Klaymen sketch is clearly me trying to copy Doug's drawing of him in one of his one-page comics, the second one is mine and I didn't do as good if a job on it as I could have, but I wasn't trying that hard XD

I looove Willie, so I tried a bit harder on him. The pic of him standing is obviously referenced from Doo's pic of him trying to make friends with the Victoids, the one of him being tossed around is mine. I suuuck at drawing hands XD They're always the hardest part to do over everything else so far.


The reason I drew these in the first place is because I was reading the Ruby Quest with Klaymen topic, and it looked like sooo much fun, and I was sooo sad when it came to an end D: And I got to thinking, could I possibly start a new one? So I needed to practice drawing the characters first. I'm not good at drawing with my tablet on the computer (believe me, I tried, that's why I switched to pencil instead XD), but for a much more polished look, I was thinking maybe I could draw the images on paper first and then try to trace with my mouse in Flash. Because my pencil can be confusing and messy.

And if not a Ruby Quest, I was thinking maybe for fun, we could do that game where the first person draws a panel or a whole page to introduce the story, and then afterwards everybody draws one panel at a time in turns to build on the story together :) Then everybody could do the art and you don't have to rely on one person doing all the art. Besides, everybody gets to put something special and of their own into it!


Well, if anybody would also like to do a Ruby Quest or the other panel-by-panel game whose name I can't remember, totally let everybody know here, and in the meantime we can post drawings of Klaymen and/or Willie here to pass the time =)

Okay, Tumbleweed Willie made me laugh out loud.

Maybe we could try some game where different people try to continue the story by drawing their own pictures? Rather than one person doing all the drawing.

That's one of my most favorite drawings, ever XD

That's what the second suggestion was, the group panel-by-panel game XD I'd love to do that. We just need to figure out how to start the story. I wouldn't mind starting it off, then everybody can take turns adding their own piece of the story. Maybe the main character could be Willie? 'Cause he so special and don't get enough luvin's D: And him being half-insane and kinda derpy and naive could add a special level of interesting to it, maybe?

That could work.
Besides, we already have one for Klaymen.

:willie:

N'yeeees :3 I was thinking about that, too. While Klaymen is on his grand adventure trying to make it back home, what is Willie doing the whole time? It looked like he sat in that exact spot under the Mulberry Tree waiting for him to come back, and the poor guy looked bored out of his mind.

He's loyal to a fault to sit there and wait for his BFF to return, and eventually he'd have to do something. Sammiches don't just appear out of thin air, afterall. Maybe he can interact with the 'Hoodians and tries to pass the time and ends up on an adventure by accident, or maybe he tries to go on a quest to find his buddy?

Hey, you read my mind.
:wilhappy:

I was wondering if it'd be funny or not if Willie's internal dialogue was completely normal, maybe even slightly proper, but everytime he talks it's in his doofy fashion XD

Y'know, this made me think about a different interpretation about Willie...
Does Willie actually talk like he does in those tapes, or did he only talk like that so Klaymen could understand?
Remember, Klaymen was born recently, and I wouldn't put it past him if he didn't learn to understand speech right away. Also, he seemed to speak decently in the other cutscenes, even it they were brief.

Although that theory doesn't explain why he would say "Me Willie" instead of "I am Willie"...
Maybe he does talk like that.

Remember the Hall of Records, he really does talk and act like that. It would have made sense if he spoke like that just for Klaymen because he was just a child, and had to learn his name, how to understand speech, AND how to read and solve loads of puzzles in a very short amount of time.

I always thought of Willie as being smarter or deeper than he lets on, like one of those characters who seems weird or even insane, moreso than anybody else, but in truth they may almost be the only real sane people in the series because they know things, which Willie does. But no, he really does talk like that and he's not completely sane.

"Me think hims pointing your torso, big ouch!"

"Me Willie," the stranger said as he tied his belt over Hoborg's chest...

Bil just said, "Meeeeeee Bil. Meeeee Bil," and Willie mumbled a bunch of gibberish to himself.

Yeah, you're right.
I forgot about Willie's dialogue in the Hall of Records.

:whut:

I gotta stop abusing these smilies.

XD I like these smilies, they're cute. Much better than the boring defaults.

That's why I was wondering if it'd be funny if he sounded much more normal or even intelligent in his mind, because in reality he speaks... well, like that. I guess like a child. Or as someone once said, he speaks like a foreigner trying to attempt english.

That would be kinda funny.
Man, now I got the mental image of Willie speaking other languages quite fluently.

I already got that image in my head because of the discussion about Willie never being mentioned in the Neverhood theme song, but that even the Crit Units get mention. Then people started saying, "Well, who's the Frenchy guy they keep singing about?"

Of course, people told them that the Frenchy guy must have been referring to Wil's pet, Frenchie the Tick, and that's when somebody brought up the idea that it might be talking about Willie because he sounds like a foreigner. And I liked that so much that I saw a mental comic of Klogg giving Klaymen the crown and saying his classic lines, of course ending on, "So let us make our decision, shall we?" Klaymen looks at the crown, then is thoughtful, then looks back up at Klogg and says, "Can you repeat that in French? ... please?"

Of course, he asked that in French, and I'm not fluent enough at it to have written that properly XD The joke was that because Klaymen was created by Willie, he spoke whatever language Willie had in mind at the time of his creation, and that was supposed to help explain why he never talks to anybody; because he doesn't know what anybody is saying, so he can't possibly respond. More of a silly joke than being meant to make any possible sense. But maybe being able to understand all languages can help Willie on his adventure?

I assumed the name was just a pun for "French kiss".

Willie's voice always sounded more like a stereotypical Mexican accent than French.
A multilingual Willie sounds like a good idea though

I would like multilingual Willie XD We don't know enough about him or his past, and I think it'd be an awesome thing to add to him, at least for the sake of our game. It's helpful and adds something cool to him. But I wouldn't mind too much if Willie wasn't very good at any language at all, because the clear language barrier could add humor.

Exactly.

Hopefully if more people are interested, we could take a vote on whether Willie is multilingual or not? :willie:

I hope nobody gets intimidated or doesn't want to play because they think their art isn't "good enough" or something like that. I hope that everybody is brave enough to try at least once. We need something to do around here, and this would be pretty darn awesome.

I agree.
=)

I'm intimidated because my art isn't "good enough" :3
This sounds very interesting though. Multilingual Willie and Willie having intelligent, structured thoughts that he can't vocalise and such.

N'yes :3 I think it'd be awesome and funny to do with him. Because all throughout the Neverhood, I was wondering who was putting ALL of those puzzles and clues around the 'Hood, and I figured that the only person who could have done it is Willie. Hoborg could have, certainly, but some things seemed to have been made just for Klaymen after Hoborg was frozen.

Of course, Willie somehow managing to travel all over the 'Hood by himself and left those disks, even gouging into the Klay wall of the Hall of Records to try and point you in the right direction for one of them (it even begins with a hoop, and that was a LOT of Klay that he removed, he could have possibly used it to create his disks and maybe even made the disk-playing machines himself for the purpose of watching them), and as we all know he's even been inside of Klogg's castle a few times, so he's smarter and/or more capable than we think when he presents himself as childish and helpless. All of the hints and clues he leaves you in letters, the ring puzzles with his pet flytrap, leaving glowing drawings and animations on the walls (remember the one of Bil getting shot by the cannon? How could Hoborg possibly know that he would be turned evil and needed to be shot?), putting a helpful glass in the Hall for you to find and saying that you can borrow it, the TNT room where you construct a TNT person to use against the Weasel that Willie suggested you blow-up for food after warning you about his box and yet just leaving it somewhere, his secret fountain for you to use his glass to drink from, stuff like that. And that's just the first few minutes of the game.

It's like a lot of the game were puzzles that Willie created to test Klaymen and help him to learn and grow. And even if Willie never made lots of those puzzles, he already knew how to solve them, he's certainly had enough time to himself to learn or build stuff. So again, smarter or more capable than we give him credit for. The only other explanation would be Quater himself intervening, but that wouldn't explain how Willie knows everything and still travels all over the 'Hood for his disks and clues.


And aww, don't be =) It's not about "skill" or "talent", it's about telling stories and having fun together ^^ Who knows, maybe it'll help you to improve? I'm no master at this drawing thing, but I still wanna do it 'cuz it's fun ^=^

Yes, it would make sense if Willie had left all those clues, though it seems a bit elaborate. He could've just told Klaymen face-to-face what happened and taken him to the castle, rather than making a video and splitting it up into slates all over the Neverhood, and leaving clues in order for Klaymen to get there himself... unless he was timid; he might've worried that Klaymen might become evil, as Klogg did.

Pyreo's "Divine Image" series has an amusing idea to how the pin outside Klogg's castle got there, and why the weasel attacks when the music box is played. I suppose similar things could have happened to get the glass in the Hall of Records. I like to believe it was Willie leaving helpful things behind, but it's a very entertaining comic nonetheless.

He could have, but would that have been the best idea? Willie was able to enter and leave the castle almost at will, probably a mix of being smart and sneaky enough or Klogg knowing that he was dumb and harmless. I mean, really. The crown is tossed in Willie's direction and lands at his feet, and he can walk right up to Hoborg. He could have picked up the crown and put it back himself, but he didn't. He was scared and knew that he was no match for Klogg if anything went wrong, so he needed a hero. And Klaymen couldn't be that hero without any proper training or knowledge of anything.

So he teaches him his name, how to read, how to understand speech (Klaymen learns to understand speech, but is never taught how to talk, so he only says his name or a word on rare occasions), and creates lots of puzzles and clues to train him to be intelligent, patient, free-thinking, physically capable, adept at solving problems, all while telling him the true story and testing to see if he was strong enough to accomplish it in the first place and helping him to know the difference between right and wrong. He needed to help Klaymen grow up and not be so innocent, naive and foolish. If he'd just let Klaymen go straight to Klogg's castle with nothing under his belt, he would have been even more helpless and childish than Willie. Klogg could just be friendly, offer him a pretty toy, and sat back and watched as Klaymen was mutated because he didn't know any better. And if Klogg hadn't watched Klaymen go through all of that, he wouldn't have taken him quite as seriously and may have destroyed him without so much as a second thought, and it would have been easy. But seeing him overcome all of these obstacles made him see Klaymen as being more capable and valuable than he appeared, thus why he tried to trick him into joining him. Afterall, he even survived a giant robot fight, gotta give him some credit for that.

I read Divine Image, I loved it ^^ And I loved how lots of things were included that I had thought about and was wondering if it occurred to anyone else, and I'm glad they did. Even a couple things I haven't considered before.

Moar Willeh!

You have interesting style! :)

I agree. It's great! :kloggrin:

I agree. I'm loving it.
=)

Awww, thanks guys ^^ I would love to start our new game anytime now =o We just haven't decided yet if we're gonna do a Ruby Quest-type game or a group panel-by-panel game where everybody draws. We also don't know yet if Willie's gonna be multilingual or not =o

Did anybody notice that Willie's about to throw the Grumpy Faceball? :wilhappy:



And here's Willie sitting all alone. I was thinking of using this pic of him in the introduction of our game, he's sitting waiting for Klaymen to return, but he won't come back! Willie not so happy D:

Aww, sad Willie is sad.

:wilcry:
Grumpy faceball is the best.

Grumpy Faceball should totally be in our story, maybe Wil gets thwacked in the head with it after Klaymen throws it in his own story XD

I'm okay with that
=)

I'm tempted to just try to make the introduction comic for the game XD And then I was thinking about how to play the game afterwards.

If we do the group panel-by-panel, maybe as somebody is posting their part, they can do from 1-3 panels in their turn, just incase they need the space to get across something in the story? And maybe after somebody has posted their portion, somebody can "claim" the next turn if they're motivated by the previous addition and so we know who is working on what and if anything is being done at all to move the story along? And if too much time goes by without any claims or new additions because somebody feels stuck, I can take over for a turn or two to move it along.

The way McT did the Ruby Quest looked just fine, so there's not too much we have to figure out for that one :willie:

Yeah, that seems to be fine.

I thinking of a introduction like this:

"You are Willie Trombone. You may be the fool above all fools, but you manage to get through situations just fine.

You are waiting for your friend, Klaymen, who has left to do some errand you cannot remember. You are getting impatient, and you already ate all of your sandwich.

What will you do?"

Personally, I think it'd be much better being told from Willie's point of view, just like in Klaymen's story. Like he's telling the story, rather than some disembodied voice just describing what is happening and what "you" will do. I think it'd be a lot more interesting and personal if Willie played narrator in his own head. Second-person point of view is more reserved for instruction manuals and choose-your-own adventure books, which this doesn't seem to be per se, or at least that's what my teachers tell me.

Besides, I don't know many comics that talk like, "You pick up a glass and take a drink from the fountain. You are now refreshed." rather than, "I saw a glass sitting on a table and decided to pick it up. I then used it to drink from the fountain, and it was very refreshing." It just doesn't feel right to me.

And besides, how would we hear Willie's internal dialogue and funny thoughts? D:

I guess you're right.
I thought it would just be easier for the others to come up with ideas in that style.
I didn't know you wanted it to be in first-person.

I just thought it'd be more interesting this time =)

I am having so much fun drawing Willie, he's fun in all sorts of poses. What was your decision, Janel? To have Willie be multilingual and for us to play the group panel-by-panel game?

Sure, I'm game

It'd be nice if more people commented so we knew others wanted to play D: Some folk are pretty quiet around here. 'Course, I wouldn't have any problem playing just with you ^^

Give it some time.
This forum is kinda slow-moving.

I'd be glad to play.

I'll play. I enjoy the idea of Willie being quite intelligent but unable to vocalise his thoughts; not sure how I feel about the multilingual bit. It's interesting, and I don't mind, so whatever :3 just need to practice drawing him.

And yes, this forum needs more traffic desperately.

Yay, another player! ^^ Totally practice him and post your drawings here, we'd looove to see 'em ^=^