Title: I wanna see your breast
chavs - February 8, 2012 09:49 AM (GMT)
About 6 months ago Eidele nursed the last time. It was a slow process starting with cutting out one feed and then another and then saying no to nursing when she asked and giving her a cuddle instead. It was actually pretty seemless and smooth with no tears or hurt feelings.
At some point during this process Eidele took up cuddling to my breast instead of actually nursing. She either rubs her nose/mouth on my nipple or touches me with her hand or rests her head against my breast and all this is under the clothes. She used to say I wanna cuddle your breast and it used to happen several times a day, when I'd say you cant cuddle y breast rght now she'd say that she wants to see my breast and I'd basically flash her and she'd be happy.
Now she calls cuddling with my breast seeing my breast(although its generally cuddling and very rarely just seeing), she is generally happy if she can quickly touch my nipple and she then gets on with what she wants to do or I give her a regular cuddle and it doesnt happen every day either.
My question is, is this weird or normal and is it something I should aim to end as well and if so how.
Any thoughts and/or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Chavelamomela - February 8, 2012 01:22 PM (GMT)
Can you switch her to cuddling against your chest on top of your shirt instead of underneath? That's what I do with my Noam (age 2). He points to my breasts, calls them "nurse" and then rests his head there for a moment. Then he goes on his merry way.
npl - February 8, 2012 02:55 PM (GMT)
We are also "making nice" instead of nursing. Usually, it's on top of my clothes, but if we are in my bed together, I'll let her touch my skin.
I'd talk to her about privacy, like you do with bathroom issues.
If it bothers you that she is touching your nipple, then she is probably old enough to understand that "it doesn't feel nice to imma" and accept an alternative.
chavs - February 8, 2012 03:07 PM (GMT)
Thank you. I'll try suggesting that she cuddles on top of my clothes.
She actually only asks to see my breasts (or bweastes as she calls them) when its just me and her or dh an ds might be around but not in front of others. She gets the concept of privacy which might be why she doesnt ask in front of others.
It doesnt bother me physically that she touches my breasts/nipples, but I wonder at what point it goes beyond a very slow weaning process to weird or to being bad. To her there is nothing bad, its comforting but it feels different to me now that she isnt nursing, does that make sense? It sounds different for her to ask to nurse versus to ask to see my breasts or as she said twice to play with my breasts (that was really weird-dh looked appalled/shocked).
Chavelamomela - February 8, 2012 04:54 PM (GMT)
I don't think it's weird, but I understand why others could. (But then again, that may not be relevent).
For many in our society, breasts are associated as sexual objects. When we breastfeed our babies/children, that's a break in that typical association, but once that phase is done, the idea of a child touching his mother's breasts/nipples, especially directly skin-to-skin can seem a bit weird in our sexualized society. Obviously, there's nothing sexual about it in this context, but you are nonetheless sensitive to the cultural norms of our surrounding culture.
Therefore, it's certainly not a bad idea to slowly teach her to gain comfort from indirect contact, like over a shirt, rather than directly.
emunahbutterfly - February 8, 2012 07:04 PM (GMT)
my 2 girls "held my nurse" to fall asleep a while after they were done nursing. this meant hand on nipple type contact but it was never outside of bedtime. can you try to limmit it to bedtime? how old is eidel?
chavs - February 9, 2012 10:24 AM (GMT)
I am so happy I wrote about this here.
I guess I am 'prey' to our society in some way. I do say to myself that its different because she was nursing etc etc but when you do live in our society its really hard to know whats right and what isnt iykwim.
Eidele birthday is purim kotton or 20th of february, she'll be 4.
I think that most of the times she wants a breast cuddle is actually at bed time or early in the morning or during the night when she comes in to my bed (could be night could be morning) and she just picks up my nightgown or night shirt and cuddles and possibly goes back to sleep. Its rare that she wants to during the day and is usually only if she is sad or hurt herself. Its been a while since it was during the day though.
I dont tttthink that limiting it to night time only would be hard as a consequence of the above.
emunabutterfly, how old were your girls?
emunahbutterfly - February 9, 2012 05:10 PM (GMT)
i dont remember with my first, but it was earlier than my second. my second weaned for her 4th bday, and held for more than a year after that.
ImaRunning - February 9, 2012 05:57 PM (GMT)
Oh boy, I can relate. My youngest (who is a boy) weaned at 3 and is now 6 1/2. He still has moments of feeling me up -- sometimes in public. He just turns around and puts his hands right on my chest. :rolleyes To him it's totally a comfort thing but we've had to have some conversations about this not being appropriate, etc.
(To be honest, the last time, my middle daughter yelled at him: THAT'S NOT TZNIUS and he looked at me, and I sort of nodded my head, and he said, "Oh. Can I hold your hand?" That worked -- for a while. It needs reinforcement.)
Zephyr - February 9, 2012 06:50 PM (GMT)
Anyone mind if I put the title of this thread in quotes?
Because I keep thinking it makes us sound like a pr*n site. lol
npl - February 9, 2012 07:00 PM (GMT)
Chavs - was thinking of you today, when I was at a mom-n-tots video shiur (video shiur in someone's home where you are welcome to bring the kids). DD say a baby nursing, and climbed in my lap. She started fiddling with my bra through my dress, and then proceeded to loudly tell me how each of her siblings doesn't nurse. And so I reminded her that she doesn't nurse any more either. When she finally climbed off my lap after the hug, I discovered a small wet patch around the area of my bra clasp (still wearing the nursing bras because they fit!) and realized she'd been nuzzling me!
chavs - February 10, 2012 09:16 AM (GMT)
Wow, thank you for the replies, I am happy to hear I am not the only one or dd isnt the only one rather, who does this and also not the only oe who nursed until she was older. It doesnt actually bother me, it was the wondering if its 'ok' that concerned me and bothered me. Thank you!
I woke up this morning to Eidele glued at my side and her hand resting on my breast in bed. She gets in there when I am still asleep and I dont even notice. Last night (before bed time but around supper time) she tried putting her hand in my bra and I asked her cuddle on top of the clothes. She wasnt having any of that and managed to get her hand in, touched and out again in about 3 seconds and she left to play or eat or whatever it was.
Npl, you had me smile there.
Zephyr, I hear 'ya, feel free to put in quotes (or you can spell it how she says it which would take out any association to p'rn- bweasts or bweastes)