2012 NHL Draft Thread, Isles pick 4th overall

Nor should we at this point of the season. They will tell you we play for pride and where we pick is not important, but it's the only goal we have left.

SORRY BUT SOMEONE NAMED DUMBA
SHOULD LET IT BE KNOWN NOW
THAT HE WILL NO LONGER PLAY HOCKEY
IF HE IS DRAFTED BY THE NY ISLANDERS

THE ENDLESS RIDICULE ON HIS END
AND WELL FOR THE TEAM
IT OPENS UP ANOTHER ENDLESS STREAM OF JOKES

What about Ryan Murphy? Also, haven't seen much of Galchenyuk - has been hurt, but is he considered a elite still?

Ryan Murray (not to be confused with Ryan Murphy from last season), is projected to go in the top 5 in this year's draft. At 6'0, 198 lbs, maybe you're looking at a 6'1 or 6'2 defenseman weighing in at anywhere in the 215-220 lb range. While his skating is exceptional, by all accounts he doesn't have exceptional offensive skill. Depending on where you look some say he possesses a heavy shot from the point. When it comes to Canadian defensemen, maybe unfairly I tend to look at the World Jrs a little too closely. And the argument can be made that he was the only draft-eligible blueliner that Canada had so maybe that had something to do with it. But he struggled in that tournament and took a lot of criticism. Is he a player I'd want the Islanders to draft? Yeah absolutely, just not in the top 4. I feel the fast rising Matt Dumba would be a better pick. He plays in the WHL with Murray, but has better offensive production, also a great skater, and has "Dion Phaneuf like" open-ice hitting ability. I think Dumba offers a little more, but thats JMO.

As far as Galchenyuk, he had a big season as a 16 year old last year. Many believed he would improve upon that this year, but suffered the knee injury. Some are arguing that it may actually HELP his draft status this summer because he hasn't been able to be nitpicked by scouts. But he's still widely regarded as having elite talent. He actually made his season debut last night. Here is what a scout in attendance had to say:

In reading the Edmonton Journal today, their beat writer says there is NO chance the Oilers would draft Galchenyuk in the top 3. They feel Grigorenko or Yakupov are far and away the top 2 guys. They also like the above discussed Ryan Murray. Also, Edmonton much like us hasn't taken a blue chip defense prospect at the top of the draft. I'm assuming we'll be picking 4th or 5th. As we've seen in previous years, you can get very good players in the 6-8 range as well.

I agree, Dumba would be one I would target because of his physicality. However,one thing to watch out for is he is small @ 5'11 and I believe 180 pounds. Is that physicality going to continue in today's NHL? How will he fare against 6'3 225 pounders?

How did kasparitis do?

What about Ryan Murphy? Also, haven't seen much of Galchenyuk - has been hurt, but is he considered a elite still?

Ryan Murray (not to be confused with Ryan Murphy from last season), is projected to go in the top 5 in this year's draft. At 6'0, 198 lbs, maybe you're looking at a 6'1 or 6'2 defenseman weighing in at anywhere in the 215-220 lb range. While his skating is exceptional, by all accounts he doesn't have exceptional offensive skill. Depending on where you look some say he possesses a heavy shot from the point. When it comes to Canadian defensemen, maybe unfairly I tend to look at the World Jrs a little too closely. And the argument can be made that he was the only draft-eligible blueliner that Canada had so maybe that had something to do with it. But he struggled in that tournament and took a lot of criticism. Is he a player I'd want the Islanders to draft? Yeah absolutely, just not in the top 4. I feel the fast rising Matt Dumba would be a better pick. He plays in the WHL with Murray, but has better offensive production, also a great skater, and has "Dion Phaneuf like" open-ice hitting ability. I think Dumba offers a little more, but thats JMO.

As far as Galchenyuk, he had a big season as a 16 year old last year. Many believed he would improve upon that this year, but suffered the knee injury. Some are arguing that it may actually HELP his draft status this summer because he hasn't been able to be nitpicked by scouts. But he's still widely regarded as having elite talent. He actually made his season debut last night. Here is what a scout in attendance had to say:

In reading the Edmonton Journal today, their beat writer says there is NO chance the Oilers would draft Galchenyuk in the top 3. They feel Grigorenko or Yakupov are far and away the top 2 guys. They also like the above discussed Ryan Murray. Also, Edmonton much like us hasn't taken a blue chip defense prospect at the top of the draft. I'm assuming we'll be picking 4th or 5th. As we've seen in previous years, you can get very good players in the 6-8 range as well.

I agree, Dumba would be one I would target because of his physicality. However,one thing to watch out for is he is small @ 5'11 and I believe 180 pounds. Is that physicality going to continue in today's NHL? How will he fare against 6'3 225 pounders?

How did kasparitis do?

Pretty well.

And Darius actually held up better than I realized as I look at his career numbers. He didn't miss as many games as I previously thought he did. Naturally being a physical player comes with a toll of injuries.

And I agree with CUPZ. If we ever did draft Dumba god forbid he didn't work out. This fanbase would eat him alive.

Call up the Bridgeport scrubs now. I want the #3 pick.

The Bridgeport scrubs would probably be an improvement. Isles should be sending guys like Cizikas and/or Ullstrom down to ensure Bridgeport actually makes the playoffs.

The Bridgeport scrubs would probably be an improvement. Isles should be sending guys like Cizikas and/or Ullstrom down to ensure Bridgeport actually makes the playoffs.

That's a good point.
Totally agree even though Ullstrom has looked well lately.

The Bridgeport scrubs would probably be an improvement. Isles should be sending guys like Cizikas and/or Ullstrom down to ensure Bridgeport actually makes the playoffs.

That's a good point.
Totally agree even though Ullstrom has looked well lately.

The Tigers are a model of consitancey

11-5-3

1-10-2

20-2-2

and now 0-3-2 in last 5

Might not have to worry about getting playoff experience for the kids at Bridge at this rate

The Bridgeport scrubs would probably be an improvement. Isles should be sending guys like Cizikas and/or Ullstrom down to ensure Bridgeport actually makes the playoffs.

That's a good point.
Totally agree even though Ullstrom has looked well lately.

The Tigers are a model of consitancey

11-5-3

1-10-2

20-2-2

and now 0-3-2 in last 5

Might not have to worry about getting playoff experience for the kids at Bridge at this rate

Their team has been gutted. Cizikas and Ullstrom are 1/3 of their top 6 forwards. I like that the two of them are getting NHL experience, but I'd rather them be playing in meaningful games as top 6 forwards. Plus, we need to lose.

It would make sense to send them back. I'm sure if they make the playoffs they will go back, but your are right, weakening our offense and giving them some valuable top line/playoff experience would be best. Even if it means me watching even a suckier team.

We have got to draft DUMBA, but we would add two "S's' to his name so he fits right in.

The Bridgeport scrubs would probably be an improvement. Isles should be sending guys like Cizikas and/or Ullstrom down to ensure Bridgeport actually makes the playoffs.

That's a good point.
Totally agree even though Ullstrom has looked well lately.

The Tigers are a model of consitancey

11-5-3

1-10-2

20-2-2

and now 0-3-2 in last 5

Might not have to worry about getting playoff experience for the kids at Bridge at this rate

Their team has been gutted. Cizikas and Ullstrom are 1/3 of their top 6 forwards. I like that the two of them are getting NHL experience, but I'd rather them be playing in meaningful games as top 6 forwards. Plus, we need to lose.

I think gutted is a strong word....they haven't been getting the goaltending they were during the 20-2-2 streak and many of the Dmen on that streak where from teh ECHL as Dehann and Resse were injured and the Isles were rotating Ness & Wishart up while Isles had injuries.

The Bridgeport scrubs would probably be an improvement. Isles should be sending guys like Cizikas and/or Ullstrom down to ensure Bridgeport actually makes the playoffs.

That's a good point.
Totally agree even though Ullstrom has looked well lately.

The Tigers are a model of consitancey

11-5-3

1-10-2

20-2-2

and now 0-3-2 in last 5

Might not have to worry about getting playoff experience for the kids at Bridge at this rate

Their team has been gutted. Cizikas and Ullstrom are 1/3 of their top 6 forwards. I like that the two of them are getting NHL experience, but I'd rather them be playing in meaningful games as top 6 forwards. Plus, we need to lose.

I think gutted is a strong word....they haven't been getting the goaltending they were during the 20-2-2 streak and many of the Dmen on that streak where from teh ECHL as Dehann and Resse were injured and the Isles were rotating Ness & Wishart up while Isles had injuries.

Fair point. But they were getting EXCEPTIONAL goaltending over a two month period from TWO different goalies!!!! Poulin won goalie of the month honors followed by Nilsson doing the same. To have two different goalies do that in back to back months is a freak occurrence. Much like Nabokov standing on his head for our Isles, you can't expect them to keep up that level all year. The goaltending was making up for the lost players either due to injury or call ups. Now it's catching up to them.

The Bridgeport scrubs would probably be an improvement. Isles should be sending guys like Cizikas and/or Ullstrom down to ensure Bridgeport actually makes the playoffs.

That's a good point.
Totally agree even though Ullstrom has looked well lately.

The Tigers are a model of consitancey

11-5-3

1-10-2

20-2-2

and now 0-3-2 in last 5

Might not have to worry about getting playoff experience for the kids at Bridge at this rate

Their team has been gutted. Cizikas and Ullstrom are 1/3 of their top 6 forwards. I like that the two of them are getting NHL experience, but I'd rather them be playing in meaningful games as top 6 forwards. Plus, we need to lose.

I think gutted is a strong word....they haven't been getting the goaltending they were during the 20-2-2 streak and many of the Dmen on that streak where from teh ECHL as Dehann and Resse were injured and the Isles were rotating Ness & Wishart up while Isles had injuries.

Fair point. But they were getting EXCEPTIONAL goaltending over a two month period from TWO different goalies!!!! Poulin won goalie of the month honors followed by Nilsson doing the same. To have two different goalies do that in back to back months is a freak occurrence. Much like Nabokov standing on his head for our Isles, you can't expect them to keep up that level all year. The goaltending was making up for the lost players either due to injury or call ups. Now it's catching up to them.

You'll get no argument from me on that...but that makes me wonder if this team is more like its current streak and early streak in the season. As I recall the Tigers were in last place for the conf before that 20-2-2 run...so much like the Isles...if they aren't getting exceptional goaltending are they really any good?

I like Ulstrom and Cizikas but are they anything more then strong 3rd liners in the NHL? just thinking that the 20-2-2 run maybe has masked that nothing "great" is really going on in Bridgeport this season but two streaky goalies.

There's a good chance you hit the nail on the head. Bridgeport may not be that good to begin with. I mean if you want to call a spade a spade, I think they're only in playoff contention because they have a chance to win their division which is pretty weak.

As far as Cizikas and Ullstrom, they seem to be on track to being bottom six forwards, but could be good ones. The problem is, once again, that they shouldn't be on this team. And it's also hard to judge Bridgeport's level of success this year with having different guys in and out of the lineup all the time. I think we have a few players down there who have a shot to be good NHLers and a few guys who are probably career minor leaguers. Either way its hard to use team success (or lack of) to judge whether or not we have legitimate prospects down there. I would like to see a loaded Bridgeport team next season and have them actually all stay together for the full season. Bring in Kabanov, Petrov, and Lee and mix them into what we already have down there. Then Brock Nelson the following year (I'd be shocked if he leaves school this year). And obviously I'd love to see Nino stay there a full season to get his game back on track but who knows if that will happen.

Key game tonight as far as the draft is concerned. A regulation win for us would pull us behind one of Toronto and seriously jeopardize our lottery position. A regulation loss would put Toronto 5 points in front of us with 9 to play. We've gone through this long enough now to know that a win tonight and "playing out the stretch" means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Root for a loss.

I'll take the loss as long as it's done right. Like us winning until the last 2 minutes, then the wheels fall of and we let up 2 in regulation.

Might turn ugly if we get a lead. T.O. was beaten 8-0 and dominated by Boston last night. The fans are likely to get on them early. We need a loss tonight tho and I'm finding it hard to not cheer against the laffs. I think Webby's plan is good...winning till last 2 mins and blow it. Are you sure we can pull that off

It takes alot of practice. But if we are experienced at anything, it's blowing the lead with 2 minutes to go.

Check out Lucic and Komisarek....bad beat down

lucic and komisarek