NEW ARENA in Nassau Thread

I wouldn't bank on ANYTHING that comes from a Gallof article. Just saying.

Gallof has been right with both the LHP and the referendum. As far as general hockey knowledge, I'm not interested in his opinions. When it comes to the political aspect, he has been right on numerous occasions. Only issue I have with him currently is he flip flopped in a major way on this Brooklyn thing. For the longest time he was telling anyone who would listen that Wang wouldn't go to Brooklyn because he wouldn't be guaranteed certain things in his lease. Said there was no way. He's done a 180 on that front now saying Brooklyn is serious. When it comes to Nassau County and the TOH I listen to what he says. Anything else though take it with a grain of salt.

I wouldn't bank on ANYTHING that comes from a Gallof article. Just saying.

Gallof has been right with both the LHP and the referendum. As far as general hockey knowledge, I'm not interested in his opinions. When it comes to the political aspect, he has been right on numerous occasions. Only issue I have with him currently is he flip flopped in a major way on this Brooklyn thing. For the longest time he was telling anyone who would listen that Wang wouldn't go to Brooklyn because he wouldn't be guaranteed certain things in his lease. Said there was no way. He's done a 180 on that front now saying Brooklyn is serious. When it comes to Nassau County and the TOH I listen to what he says. Anything else though take it with a grain of salt.

Point is, as bad as relations are between Team Wang and Team Hempstead, it doesn't mean Nassau is done. Everybody involved, Wang, Nassau/TOH Politicians and Bettman are doing their fair share of lip service. But again, there is still 3 years until doomsday. There is still time, despite what everybody and their so called sources are saying. This story has had many chapters, but the book isn't finished, yet.

Two weeks in October 1962, two world powers were prepared to end the world. Everybody and a source was saying there was no hope for a solution. JFK and Khrushchev won't budge. That's what the headlines said. But, that didn't happen. JFK and Khrushchev were actually communicating through other channels and come to a compromise, despite what everybody thought they knew or were being told. This is an example of something with far more important
ramifications and far better coverage, but everybody still didn't know everything.

There is still time and if everybody involved wants to return their nose to their faces it can happen. Only one who really scares me in all this is Charlie Wang. Stubbornness to idiotic levels is his calling card. After all, TOH aside, it was Charlie Wang who turned out the light on "his" lighthouse because it wasn't going to be on all 77 acres.

I wouldn't bank on ANYTHING that comes from a Gallof article. Just saying.

Gallof has been right with both the LHP and the referendum. As far as general hockey knowledge, I'm not interested in his opinions. When it comes to the political aspect, he has been right on numerous occasions. Only issue I have with him currently is he flip flopped in a major way on this Brooklyn thing. For the longest time he was telling anyone who would listen that Wang wouldn't go to Brooklyn because he wouldn't be guaranteed certain things in his lease. Said there was no way. He's done a 180 on that front now saying Brooklyn is serious. When it comes to Nassau County and the TOH I listen to what he says. Anything else though take it with a grain of salt.

Point is, as bad as relations are between Team Wang and Team Hempstead, it doesn't mean Nassau is done. Everybody involved, Wang, Nassau/TOH Politicians and Bettman are doing their fair share of lip service. But again, there is still 3 years until doomsday. There is still time, despite what everybody and their so called sources are saying. This story has had many chapters, but the book isn't finished, yet.

Two weeks in October 1962, two world powers were prepared to end the world. Everybody and a source was saying there was no hope for a solution. JFK and Khrushchev won't budge. That's what the headlines said. But, that didn't happen. JFK and Khrushchev were actually communicating through other channels and come to a compromise, despite what everybody thought they knew or were being told. This is an example of something with far more important
ramifications and far better coverage, but everybody still didn't know everything.

There is still time and if everybody involved wants to return their nose to their faces it can happen. Only one who really scares me in all this is Charlie Wang. Stubbornness to idiotic levels is his calling card. After all, TOH aside, it was Charlie Wang who turned out the light on "his" lighthouse because it wasn't going to be on all 77 acres.

As Snowy said, Gallof has a long track record of being reliable on this issue. If he says its dead or near dead, I believe him. They have til year-end to break ground - after that, anything's possible.

Isles will stay at NVMC

I wouldn't bank on ANYTHING that comes from a Gallof article. Just saying.

Gallof has been right with both the LHP and the referendum. As far as general hockey knowledge, I'm not interested in his opinions. When it comes to the political aspect, he has been right on numerous occasions. Only issue I have with him currently is he flip flopped in a major way on this Brooklyn thing. For the longest time he was telling anyone who would listen that Wang wouldn't go to Brooklyn because he wouldn't be guaranteed certain things in his lease. Said there was no way. He's done a 180 on that front now saying Brooklyn is serious. When it comes to Nassau County and the TOH I listen to what he says. Anything else though take it with a grain of salt.

Point is, as bad as relations are between Team Wang and Team Hempstead, it doesn't mean Nassau is done. Everybody involved, Wang, Nassau/TOH Politicians and Bettman are doing their fair share of lip service. But again, there is still 3 years until doomsday. There is still time, despite what everybody and their so called sources are saying. This story has had many chapters, but the book isn't finished, yet.

Two weeks in October 1962, two world powers were prepared to end the world. Everybody and a source was saying there was no hope for a solution. JFK and Khrushchev won't budge. That's what the headlines said. But, that didn't happen. JFK and Khrushchev were actually communicating through other channels and come to a compromise, despite what everybody thought they knew or were being told. This is an example of something with far more important
ramifications and far better coverage, but everybody still didn't know everything.

There is still time and if everybody involved wants to return their nose to their faces it can happen. Only one who really scares me in all this is Charlie Wang. Stubbornness to idiotic levels is his calling card. After all, TOH aside, it was Charlie Wang who turned out the light on "his" lighthouse because it wasn't going to be on all 77 acres.

As Snowy said, Gallof has a long track record of being reliable on this issue. If he says its dead or near dead, I believe him. They have til year-end to break ground - after that, anything's possible.

They have til 12/31/2015.

Then the Isles have to arrange an extension. Month to month or a one year up of five year up.

They can agree on an arena or not.

It's just a tenancy agreement. Bettman is drama. Wang is what he is - whatever pays him the most. Brooklyn is the threat to the landlord. Queens if the dream deal you hope happens so you can get a nicer pad.

If you wanna say it's anything more, YOU LIKE DRAMA. But for the sake of rational argument, the Isles have no time limit on renovation unless Wang is insisting on it. So far, only Bettman has said anything is imperative. Wang has postured a few BIG deals to make him BIG money. If he doesn't get those, then I bet whatever costs him the least and makes him the most is what will happen.

Even if it's signed on new years eve 2014. And if they don't agree to a renovation until 2017, it'll happen then. If they play in Brooklyn or not. The NVMC will be renovated in that case. Or replaced. The shovels in the ground thing is only valid if Wang makes it valid that they won't remain if he doesn't get a free new arena or whatever by whatever drop dead date.

Apparently the NHL has an ownership deal in place with the Coyotes that will keep them in Phoenix so Quebec is a live shot again for the Isles IMO.

I wouldn't bank on ANYTHING that comes from a Gallof article. Just saying.

Gallof has been right with both the LHP and the referendum. As far as general hockey knowledge, I'm not interested in his opinions. When it comes to the political aspect, he has been right on numerous occasions. Only issue I have with him currently is he flip flopped in a major way on this Brooklyn thing. For the longest time he was telling anyone who would listen that Wang wouldn't go to Brooklyn because he wouldn't be guaranteed certain things in his lease. Said there was no way. He's done a 180 on that front now saying Brooklyn is serious. When it comes to Nassau County and the TOH I listen to what he says. Anything else though take it with a grain of salt.

Point is, as bad as relations are between Team Wang and Team Hempstead, it doesn't mean Nassau is done. Everybody involved, Wang, Nassau/TOH Politicians and Bettman are doing their fair share of lip service. But again, there is still 3 years until doomsday. There is still time, despite what everybody and their so called sources are saying. This story has had many chapters, but the book isn't finished, yet.

Two weeks in October 1962, two world powers were prepared to end the world. Everybody and a source was saying there was no hope for a solution. JFK and Khrushchev won't budge. That's what the headlines said. But, that didn't happen. JFK and Khrushchev were actually communicating through other channels and come to a compromise, despite what everybody thought they knew or were being told. This is an example of something with far more important
ramifications and far better coverage, but everybody still didn't know everything.

There is still time and if everybody involved wants to return their nose to their faces it can happen. Only one who really scares me in all this is Charlie Wang. Stubbornness to idiotic levels is his calling card. After all, TOH aside, it was Charlie Wang who turned out the light on "his" lighthouse because it wasn't going to be on all 77 acres.

As Snowy said, Gallof has a long track record of being reliable on this issue. If he says its dead or near dead, I believe him. They have til year-end to break ground - after that, anything's possible.

They have til 12/31/2015.

Then the Isles have to arrange an extension. Month to month or a one year up of five year up.

They can agree on an arena or not.

It's just a tenancy agreement. Bettman is drama. Wang is what he is - whatever pays him the most. Brooklyn is the threat to the landlord. Queens if the dream deal you hope happens so you can get a nicer pad.

If you wanna say it's anything more, YOU LIKE DRAMA. But for the sake of rational argument, the Isles have no time limit on renovation unless Wang is insisting on it. So far, only Bettman has said anything is imperative. Wang has postured a few BIG deals to make him BIG money. If he doesn't get those, then I bet whatever costs him the least and makes him the most is what will happen.

Even if it's signed on new years eve 2014. And if they don't agree to a renovation until 2017, it'll happen then. If they play in Brooklyn or not. The NVMC will be renovated in that case. Or replaced. The shovels in the ground thing is only valid if Wang makes it valid that they won't remain if he doesn't get a free new arena or whatever by whatever drop dead date.

Why in the world would the team wait until 2015? Sorry, but I don't think so.

You are going to need between 2-3 years to build a new arena. You are telling me wait on an agreement until 2015 and have it complete by 2018? What would stop the team from going to Brooklyn then? The arena is already built and no waiting. Alot is made of the attendance, but I read somewhere recently that the 14,500 at Barclay's would be equivalent to 17k+ where they are now.

If a NVMC renovation is decided upon then there's probably have more time to play with. All owners do this sort of thing - does anyone remember Steinbrenner and "the Bronx is not safe" arguments of the late 90's? They were supposedly headed to NJ. Then, on his way out the door, Guiliani gave the Yanks and Mets sweetheart deals.

Planning and foresight needs to go into this - you do not wait until the last minute as you are suggesting.

The answer is simple...................go to Brooklyn despite the lower seating capacity. And just jack up ticket prices significantly to make up for the shortfall. And don't increase payroll and they'll be fine.

People will pay for it.

I wouldn't bank on ANYTHING that comes from a Gallof article. Just saying.

Gallof has been right with both the LHP and the referendum. As far as general hockey knowledge, I'm not interested in his opinions. When it comes to the political aspect, he has been right on numerous occasions. Only issue I have with him currently is he flip flopped in a major way on this Brooklyn thing. For the longest time he was telling anyone who would listen that Wang wouldn't go to Brooklyn because he wouldn't be guaranteed certain things in his lease. Said there was no way. He's done a 180 on that front now saying Brooklyn is serious. When it comes to Nassau County and the TOH I listen to what he says. Anything else though take it with a grain of salt.

Point is, as bad as relations are between Team Wang and Team Hempstead, it doesn't mean Nassau is done. Everybody involved, Wang, Nassau/TOH Politicians and Bettman are doing their fair share of lip service. But again, there is still 3 years until doomsday. There is still time, despite what everybody and their so called sources are saying. This story has had many chapters, but the book isn't finished, yet.

Two weeks in October 1962, two world powers were prepared to end the world. Everybody and a source was saying there was no hope for a solution. JFK and Khrushchev won't budge. That's what the headlines said. But, that didn't happen. JFK and Khrushchev were actually communicating through other channels and come to a compromise, despite what everybody thought they knew or were being told. This is an example of something with far more important
ramifications and far better coverage, but everybody still didn't know everything.

There is still time and if everybody involved wants to return their nose to their faces it can happen. Only one who really scares me in all this is Charlie Wang. Stubbornness to idiotic levels is his calling card. After all, TOH aside, it was Charlie Wang who turned out the light on "his" lighthouse because it wasn't going to be on all 77 acres.

As Snowy said, Gallof has a long track record of being reliable on this issue. If he says its dead or near dead, I believe him. They have til year-end to break ground - after that, anything's possible.

They have til 12/31/2015.

Then the Isles have to arrange an extension. Month to month or a one year up of five year up.

They can agree on an arena or not.

It's just a tenancy agreement. Bettman is drama. Wang is what he is - whatever pays him the most. Brooklyn is the threat to the landlord. Queens if the dream deal you hope happens so you can get a nicer pad.

If you wanna say it's anything more, YOU LIKE DRAMA. But for the sake of rational argument, the Isles have no time limit on renovation unless Wang is insisting on it. So far, only Bettman has said anything is imperative. Wang has postured a few BIG deals to make him BIG money. If he doesn't get those, then I bet whatever costs him the least and makes him the most is what will happen.

Even if it's signed on new years eve 2014. And if they don't agree to a renovation until 2017, it'll happen then. If they play in Brooklyn or not. The NVMC will be renovated in that case. Or replaced. The shovels in the ground thing is only valid if Wang makes it valid that they won't remain if he doesn't get a free new arena or whatever by whatever drop dead date.

Why in the world would the team wait until 2015? Sorry, but I don't think so.

You are going to need between 2-3 years to build a new arena. You are telling me wait on an agreement until 2015 and have it complete by 2018? What would stop the team from going to Brooklyn then? The arena is already built and no waiting. Alot is made of the attendance, but I read somewhere recently that the 14,500 at Barclay's would be equivalent to 17k+ where they are now.

If a NVMC renovation is decided upon then there's probably have more time to play with. All owners do this sort of thing - does anyone remember Steinbrenner and "the Bronx is not safe" arguments of the late 90's? They were supposedly headed to NJ. Then, on his way out the door, Guiliani gave the Yanks and Mets sweetheart deals.

Planning and foresight needs to go into this - you do not wait until the last minute as you are suggesting.

Why would they wait? I don't know. But can they wait, absolutely.

This should be done right now but isn't. But in the interest of securing the highest revenue producing model (Wang as lessor, not tenant), it's in Wang's interest to renovate or replace the NVMC site to get the biggest revenue stream possible.

So, if it's a lease signed in 2015 and the building isn't ready until 2018, so be it. He has an arrangement to use Ratner's building while construction is underway, but more importantly, he has the revenue. He goes back to SMG days with Brooklyn, and that was unacceptable, correct?


And we gotta be fair and remember two things:

1. LI's economy can and likely will rebound.
2. A remodeled or new arena allows him to charge more per ticket as does Brooklyn.

So, 17,000 seats equals 14,500 seats, unless they both charge the sate rate per seat.

I wouldn't bank on ANYTHING that comes from a Gallof article. Just saying.

Gallof has been right with both the LHP and the referendum. As far as general hockey knowledge, I'm not interested in his opinions. When it comes to the political aspect, he has been right on numerous occasions. Only issue I have with him currently is he flip flopped in a major way on this Brooklyn thing. For the longest time he was telling anyone who would listen that Wang wouldn't go to Brooklyn because he wouldn't be guaranteed certain things in his lease. Said there was no way. He's done a 180 on that front now saying Brooklyn is serious. When it comes to Nassau County and the TOH I listen to what he says. Anything else though take it with a grain of salt.

Point is, as bad as relations are between Team Wang and Team Hempstead, it doesn't mean Nassau is done. Everybody involved, Wang, Nassau/TOH Politicians and Bettman are doing their fair share of lip service. But again, there is still 3 years until doomsday. There is still time, despite what everybody and their so called sources are saying. This story has had many chapters, but the book isn't finished, yet.

Two weeks in October 1962, two world powers were prepared to end the world. Everybody and a source was saying there was no hope for a solution. JFK and Khrushchev won't budge. That's what the headlines said. But, that didn't happen. JFK and Khrushchev were actually communicating through other channels and come to a compromise, despite what everybody thought they knew or were being told. This is an example of something with far more important
ramifications and far better coverage, but everybody still didn't know everything.

There is still time and if everybody involved wants to return their nose to their faces it can happen. Only one who really scares me in all this is Charlie Wang. Stubbornness to idiotic levels is his calling card. After all, TOH aside, it was Charlie Wang who turned out the light on "his" lighthouse because it wasn't going to be on all 77 acres.

As Snowy said, Gallof has a long track record of being reliable on this issue. If he says its dead or near dead, I believe him. They have til year-end to break ground - after that, anything's possible.

They have til 12/31/2015.

Then the Isles have to arrange an extension. Month to month or a one year up of five year up.

They can agree on an arena or not.

It's just a tenancy agreement. Bettman is drama. Wang is what he is - whatever pays him the most. Brooklyn is the threat to the landlord. Queens if the dream deal you hope happens so you can get a nicer pad.

If you wanna say it's anything more, YOU LIKE DRAMA. But for the sake of rational argument, the Isles have no time limit on renovation unless Wang is insisting on it. So far, only Bettman has said anything is imperative. Wang has postured a few BIG deals to make him BIG money. If he doesn't get those, then I bet whatever costs him the least and makes him the most is what will happen.

Even if it's signed on new years eve 2014. And if they don't agree to a renovation until 2017, it'll happen then. If they play in Brooklyn or not. The NVMC will be renovated in that case. Or replaced. The shovels in the ground thing is only valid if Wang makes it valid that they won't remain if he doesn't get a free new arena or whatever by whatever drop dead date.

Why in the world would the team wait until 2015? Sorry, but I don't think so.

You are going to need between 2-3 years to build a new arena. You are telling me wait on an agreement until 2015 and have it complete by 2018? What would stop the team from going to Brooklyn then? The arena is already built and no waiting. Alot is made of the attendance, but I read somewhere recently that the 14,500 at Barclay's would be equivalent to 17k+ where they are now.

If a NVMC renovation is decided upon then there's probably have more time to play with. All owners do this sort of thing - does anyone remember Steinbrenner and "the Bronx is not safe" arguments of the late 90's? They were supposedly headed to NJ. Then, on his way out the door, Guiliani gave the Yanks and Mets sweetheart deals.

Planning and foresight needs to go into this - you do not wait until the last minute as you are suggesting.

Why would they wait? I don't know. But can they wait, absolutely.

This should be done right now but isn't. But in the interest of securing the highest revenue producing model (Wang as lessor, not tenant), it's in Wang's interest to renovate or replace the NVMC site to get the biggest revenue stream possible.

So, if it's a lease signed in 2015 and the building isn't ready until 2018, so be it. He has an arrangement to use Ratner's building while construction is underway, but more importantly, he has the revenue. He goes back to SMG days with Brooklyn, and that was unacceptable, correct?


And we gotta be fair and remember two things:

1. LI's economy can and likely will rebound.
2. A remodeled or new arena allows him to charge more per ticket as does Brooklyn.

So, 17,000 seats equals 14,500 seats, unless they both charge the sate rate per seat.

I also believe that after 2015, SMG is no longer contractually tied to the Coliseum. Giving Wang more options of either running that aspect of the Coliseum's day-to-day operations or hiring better/cheaper firm if he likes.

Right now, if Wang books the Coliseum, he makes money. Why would he throw away 3 more years of that for being a very limited Tenant again. Prokhorov in Brooklyn has the deep pockets and he just put a lot of that into the Nets and Barclays Center. I just don't see him or even Ranter giving Wang a generous cut of the luxury boxes, advertising and non-Islanders concession revenue. They have money to recoup. But if I wanted to, I could say a source told me that Prokhorov/Ratner have a ton of money invested and are looking to recoup that money. But that's pretty obvious.

So, of course Prokhorov/Ratner are very enthusiastic about the Islanders joining them at Barclays. They want them as a tenant. To profit off of them when their main act—Nets and concerts—are not booked.

People will pay for what? To watch DP play another ten years? To watch aging defensemen finish out their final years here?

People will pay for what? To watch DP play another ten years? To watch aging defensemen finish out their final years here?

To watch DP play another ten years

People will pay for what? To watch DP play another ten years? To watch aging defensemen finish out their final years here?

People are already paying for that now Shooter. Except it would be in a brand spanking new arena.

In other words, for diehards like us.....................it doesn't f'ing matter where they play. The same sht will go on and people will pay for it.

I dont think Brooklyn will happen..It isnt a hockey arena, and Bettman has said he thinks its disconnected form the team's Nassau and Suffolk fan base...Whatever fan base there is

SINCE WHEN HAS BETTMAN WORRIED ABOUT THE FAN BASE?
HE'S TOO BUSY PATTING WANG ON THE BACK SAYING "ITS OK CHARLIE ITS OK"

....left.

Wang sells and many come back. I'll pay to see them play only if that happens.

I'll always go to a couple of games no matter what...Bein doin that for 25 yrs

Same old stuff

SINCE WHEN HAS BETTMAN WORRIED ABOUT THE FAN BASE?
HE'S TOO BUSY PATTING WANG ON THE BACK SAYING "ITS OK CHARLIE ITS OK"

Maybe he was just trying to burp him like the big baby he is?

Not just a year ago he assured us that the Islanders are not leaving Long Island and that Brooklyn wasn't a viable option. Boy has he changed his tune.