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Does it change your plans though? All along, he's been the one targeted for trade bait. But with his play, do you try to sign him for beyond this year and have him become a mentor for KP?

if it were me, i move him for whatever I can get within reason, his value is as high as it is gonna be. He is not part of the longterm future.

Within reason = giving up all star quality goaltending for a 3rd/4th or another Wishart....this is why Wang/Snow are able to get away with this stuff, because there are fans out there who believe in them.

speaking of wishart, will we get a chance to see him now that reese has gone down or has he fallen even farther down the depth chart in bridgeport.

Wishart sucks. He didn't show much last year and by all accounts he's showing even less this year. That trade sucked. Bad job by Snow, but at least when he makes a bad trade it's not Milbury-esque.


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QUOTE (dragoneye @ Feb 8 2012, 01:47 PM)
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Does it change your plans though? All along, he's been the one targeted for trade bait. But with his play, do you try to sign him for beyond this year and have him become a mentor for KP?

if it were me, i move him for whatever I can get within reason, his value is as high as it is gonna be. He is not part of the longterm future.

Within reason = giving up all star quality goaltending for a 3rd/4th or another Wishart....this is why Wang/Snow are able to get away with this stuff, because there are fans out there who believe in them.

speaking of wishart, will we get a chance to see him now that reese has gone down or has he fallen even farther down the depth chart in bridgeport.

I hope not...I think he's regressed a bit this season.

You cannot overload AMac, Streit and the rest of em with minutes.

They need to bring in an experienced defenseman. Not another project.

We all know decent D-men are hard to come by. If you're looking for more 7-8-9 D then go ahead and fill your cupboards with more Staois - Mottau - Eaton to eat up minutes while giving you back extended defensive zone time.

If Erhoff can get a contract like he did, it would make sense that We got Wishart for Roloson, a 40+ goalie who was good, until he ran out of gas, see this year. Age matters in sports and will eventually catch up to even the gretest athletes and folks that have evaded it, like Roloson.

There were many bottom 3 defensemen, way better than what we have available for the right price throughout the off season and during this season.
I guess Garth didn't think it was the right fit as he puts it.
Guess that extra half million or million in salary he'd have to get back and pay wasn't in the plan.

He's failed, year after year. Here we are in his 5th season as GM and we have to settle for reaching .500 mark as a monumental accomplishment when we didn't eve show up for a game.

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Nabby is playing for a contract elsewhere. I do not see any way he agrees to stay here. The Blackhawks are interested, but our GM would screw the pooch on any deal for him. Columbus knows Nash wants out, but we have no shot because the Rags and Penguins are interested and you know how we fare when ANY other team is involved.

We'll get a third rounder for him before the 27th and he'll be gone.

The guy looks like he can't wait to be out of here. Probably has a bag packed by the door like he's expecting a baby. As soon as the phone rings he's on the next plane out.

Again, we all said "screw him" when he refused to report. Now, some are wondering if he'll stay. He won't, and you can mark that down. And while he is hot and can actually be the impetus for a playoff drive this season, he is not and never will be "an Islander". Using us because its in his best interest to do so.

And it sucks because as has been said, if he gets "hot", which he is, he can carry a team a long way.

Problem is we need him to be excellent. If he is, his value in the free market just goes up.


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QUOTE (rifleman22 @ Feb 8 2012, 05:05 PM)
Nabby is playing for a contract elsewhere. I do not see any way he agrees to stay here. The Blackhawks are interested, but our GM would screw the pooch on any deal for him. Columbus knows Nash wants out, but we have no shot because the Rags and Penguins are interested and you know how we fare when ANY other team is involved.

We'll get a third rounder for him before the 27th and he'll be gone.

The guy looks like he can't wait to be out of here. Probably has a bag packed by the door like he's expecting a baby. As soon as the phone rings he's on the next plane out.

Again, we all said "screw him" when he refused to report. Now, some are wondering if he'll stay. He won't, and you can mark that down. And while he is hot and can actually be the impetus for a playoff drive this season, he is not and never will be "an Islander". Using us because its in his best interest to do so.

And it sucks because as has been said, if he gets "hot", which he is, he can carry a team a long way.

Problem is we need him to be excellent. If he is, his value in the free market just goes up.

If Nabby continues to play this way, the payoff for the Islanders is that they may very well make the playoffs. That's how well he's playing. Is an Islander playoff berth less important than picking up a 2nd round pick?

If this team is in the race at the deadline, you keep Nabby no questions asked.


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QUOTE (Snowman @ Feb 8 2012, 04:26 PM)
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Nabby is playing for a contract elsewhere. I do not see any way he agrees to stay here. The Blackhawks are interested, but our GM would screw the pooch on any deal for him. Columbus knows Nash wants out, but we have no shot because the Rags and Penguins are interested and you know how we fare when ANY other team is involved.

We'll get a third rounder for him before the 27th and he'll be gone.

The guy looks like he can't wait to be out of here. Probably has a bag packed by the door like he's expecting a baby. As soon as the phone rings he's on the next plane out.

Again, we all said "screw him" when he refused to report. Now, some are wondering if he'll stay. He won't, and you can mark that down. And while he is hot and can actually be the impetus for a playoff drive this season, he is not and never will be "an Islander". Using us because its in his best interest to do so.

And it sucks because as has been said, if he gets "hot", which he is, he can carry a team a long way.

Problem is we need him to be excellent. If he is, his value in the free market just goes up.

If Nabby continues to play this way, the payoff for the Islanders is that they may very well make the playoffs. That's how well he's playing. Is an Islander playoff berth less important than picking up a 2nd round pick?

If this team is in the race at the deadline, you keep Nabby no questions asked.

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al montoya..love the guy...but he ain't no nabakov...trade nabby, and kiss the season goodbye...just about getting ready to pucker up with hamonic gone for a couple..


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Nabokov just told Deb on NHLLIVE he's really happy on the Islanders. It's all up to management what they what to do with him.


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QUOTE (Webb20 @ Feb 8 2012, 05:36 PM)
Nabokov just told Deb on NHLLIVE he's really happy on the Islanders. It's all up to management what they what to do with him.

He slid the question on NHL Home Ice this afternoon. They asked him straight out if he'd consider an extension and he said that was up to Garff. He didn't say anything about being happy just committed to helping the team.

He sounded like a good guy and not a douche. Said all the right things as a veteran who may get his last good contract.
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nabby is doing and saying all the right things unlike last year..hmm letssee.gif


if he's not signed by deadline, he walks...


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I am actually torn on this question... hard to trade nabs if we making a real run in the playoffs as he has cemented the number one spot here... however Montoya has been very good every time he has gotten the call. and frankly I think we are all a little too excited about nabby after yesterdays game. he has been very very good for a long time but I believe he will come back to down a little.

we will be trading him high that is for sure, gotta think he can only go down from here. I lean towards looking to deal him. maybe that is crazy or wrong, i dont know, ask me again on friday morning
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QUOTE (king glorious @ Feb 8 2012, 06:52 PM)
I am actually torn on this question... hard to trade nabs if we making a real run in the playoffs as he has cemented the number one spot here... however Montoya has been very good every time he has gotten the call. and frankly I think we are all a little too excited about nabby after yesterdays game. he has been very very good for a long time but I believe he will come back to down a little.

we will be trading him high that is for sure, gotta think he can only go down from here. I lean towards looking to deal him. maybe that is crazy or wrong, i dont know, ask me again on friday morning

This is why starting the season with Nabakov/Montoya (with Poulin in the minors for now) SHOULD HAVE been the tandem to begin this season and HOPE TO BE the tandem for next season...instead they did the 3 headed BS carousel and the DP adventure of 80% 4.00 GAA...which will probably rear his ugly head again soon...or Definitely next season, and kill next season too. As long as DP come in and plays his 10 games as horribly as he is, thats a 10 game hole the team always has to recover from (see the last 5 years)
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it would be nice to hang onto to BOTH Nabokov and Montoya because If this Playoff thing actually happens this season, I say no trade.


IF (i know, a big freakin "IF") Nobokov signs an extension with the Isles, it's a sure goodbye to that other guy.... oh what's his face....you know...Ricky Bobby ? rolleyes.gif


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Goalies: Evgeni Nabokov, Al Montoya, Kevin Poulin, Rick DiPietro, Anders Nilsson.
Shots Faced Per Game: 29.9
Save Percentage: .906
Comment: Now that Nabokov is healthy and capable of fulfilling the starter's role, the Islanders are in much, much better shape between the pipes. Montoya has played well, when given the chance and Poulin offers promise for the future. The injury to DiPietro actually helps matters, since the Islanders can't feel obligated to play their highest-paid goaltender, even though 2006-2007 was the last season that he posted a save percentage over .902.


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QUOTE (Lexhair @ Feb 8 2012, 06:40 PM)
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Nabokov just told Deb on NHLLIVE he's really happy on the Islanders.  It's all up to management what they what to do with him.

He slid the question on NHL Home Ice this afternoon. They asked him straight out if he'd consider an extension and he said that was up to Garff. He didn't say anything about being happy just committed to helping the team.

He sounded like a good guy and not a douche. Said all the right things as a veteran who may get his last good contract.

The only negative vibes I've heard from Nabby have revolved around him wanting to play. Well right now he's playing obviously. My question is this: if he hits the FA market, which team out there is going to commit to him as a starting goaltender? I think this may be the best fit for him. At least he's familiar with the situation here.


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I'm confused..didn't detroit try to sign this guy, and we plucked him from wire?

I would think detroit for signing this guy would eventually want him to be a starter..so, if he is not signed by deadline, and still with the team, he will be gone..perhaps to detroit...pick your starter...howard or nabokov? say hello to backup duty howard.


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I'm confused..didn't detroit try to sign this guy, and we plucked him from wire?

I would think detroit for signing this guy would eventually want him to be a starter..so, if he is not signed by deadline, and still with the team, he will be gone..perhaps to detroit...pick your starter...howard or nabokov? say hello to backup duty howard.

Howard made the All Star team. He's having an outstanding year. He's also injured right now. As long as he's going to be healthy for the playoffs the Red Wings won't be interested.


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QUOTE (Snowman @ Feb 8 2012, 08:55 PM)
QUOTE (3POTI @ Feb 8 2012, 08:39 PM)
I'm confused..didn't detroit try to sign this guy, and we plucked him from wire?

I would think detroit for signing this guy would eventually want him to be a starter..so, if he is not signed by deadline, and still with the team, he will be gone..perhaps to detroit...pick your starter...howard or nabokov? say hello to backup duty howard.

Howard made the All Star team. He's having an outstanding year. He's also injured right now. As long as he's going to be healthy for the playoffs the Red Wings won't be interested.

big wow he made the allstar team..rick also made the allstar team in one year..flukes happen all the time.


and, there backup is joey mac..


hawks showing interest in nabby..det. would take him in a heartbeat.


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QUOTE (3POTI @ Feb 8 2012, 09:15 PM)
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QUOTE (3POTI @ Feb 8 2012, 08:39 PM)
I'm confused..didn't detroit try to sign this guy, and we plucked him from wire?

I would think detroit for signing this guy would eventually want him to be a starter..so, if he is not signed by deadline, and still with the team, he will be gone..perhaps to detroit...pick your starter...howard or nabokov? say hello to backup duty howard.

Howard made the All Star team. He's having an outstanding year. He's also injured right now. As long as he's going to be healthy for the playoffs the Red Wings won't be interested.

big wow he made the allstar team..rick also made the allstar team in one year..flukes happen all the time.


and, there backup is joey mac..


hawks showing interest in nabby..det. would take him in a heartbeat.

No, their backup isn't Joey Mac. Their top AHL goaltender is Joey Mac who was recalled when Howard got injured. Their backup is Ty Conklin.

And Howard making the All-Star team was a fluke? He's having a superb season: He's 32-11 with a 2.03 GAA and a .924 SV%. That's a fluke? blink.gif

No, Detroit wouldn't take him in a heartbeat. They'd take him if they were getting him for free, like they were last year. They're not giving up a thing to get him because they have no need to.


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It depends on the price. They will definitely be interested in Nabby in Det because he's far superior to Conklin and he's not a hit at all on the salary cap with what Nabby is making.

However, if Garth wants a primo prospect or a top 4 dman, Detroit will walk away from the deal.

The only way Nabby gets us a good haul is if Chicago goes for him and Detroit tries to get him to keep him away from Chicago...but I don't see that senario happening.

Hopefully Garth will extend Nabby for 1-2 more seasons before the deadline. If not, its hard not to trade him.

However, if we aren't within 10 points at the deadline, I think Nabby's gone unless an extension is in place.


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QUOTE (Islander4cups @ Feb 8 2012, 10:45 PM)
It depends on the price. They will definitely be interested in Nabby in Det because he's far superior to Conklin and he's not a hit at all on the salary cap with what Nabby is making.

However, if Garth wants a primo prospect or a top 4 dman, Detroit will walk away from the deal.

The only way Nabby gets us a good haul is if Chicago goes for him and Detroit tries to get him to keep him away from Chicago...but I don't see that senario happening.

Hopefully Garth will extend Nabby for 1-2 more seasons before the deadline. If not, its hard not to trade him.

However, if we aren't within 10 points at the deadline, I think Nabby's gone unless an extension is in place.

Of course with a minimal cap hit most teams in the league would take him if they could get him for next to nothing. But we know Snow isn't going to do that as long as we're still in the race. Detroit isn't going to give up what the Isles are going to want for a backup goalie. Conklin is fine in a pinch. If Howard is going to miss significant time, which he supposedly isn't, but if he is then I could see it. And the Hawks are in a very different position. The Hawks need a starting goalie in the worst way. Crawford and Emery are bad.


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