http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=394977

There is some more filler in between if you want to check out the link.

As usual, Cullen is spot on in his analysis. Every year he hits the nail on the head, and every year Wang and Snow respond with cap circumvention and a losing team. Wont be any different this year.

same old same old...I'm done.

What a priceless line for describing that illusion we all fall for after we're out of playoff contention, year after year after year(except Depot of course). Not just in Bailey, but everyone individually and as a whole team.

late-season fool's gold, :rofl:

There staying the course and I like that - smart
Read my lips:
NO NEW TALENTED VETERAN PLAYER SIGNINGS

There staying the course and I like that - smart

Once Bailey and Okoman and the rest of the pack reach development status
of elite Russian army elite hockey style players

There staying the course and I like that - smart

We must go younger :thumbsup:

Hows that Petrov will be here soon and Garth knows what hes doing with him going for those kool aiders out there lol

I don't fall for it either Webby.....not at all.

I know what a fraud this franchise is.

:blah: :blah: :blah:

This team needs to show me something, and soon. Like everybody else, I have zero confidence that they will do anything different than they have before. Low level cheap talent for us, while everybody else loads up on quality FA's.

One thing we have going against is, and have for what seems like forever, is the reluctance of any FA's to come here. be it the barn, the GM, the owner or the money (probably all of them), until this clown of an owner makes an offer to a high level FA that blows the others out of the water, we are looking at the same old same old.

Anybody think it won't be business as usual on the island of woe?

You know its bad when Nassau County says Isles needed to be more exciting like the Rangers...I think Katie Murray and one of her spokes people actually said that last week.

I propose a new board protocol -- any time Kate Murray's staff, spokespeople, etc. are mentioned indirectly, use the term "flying monkeys"


As in:

One of Kate Murray's flying monkeys posted the following on Twitter....

[oh-wee-oh--oh-ooooh-omm]

As much as I hate Murray......she has a point there.

An arena deal would likely be in the bag if this was a fun, exciting team right now where masses of people want to go to to spend money 41 times a year.

It all comes down to business and right now the Isles aren't good business to many factions including Nassau County government and taxpayers.

Bingo. This wasn't a team worth seeing 22 of the past 25 years (arguably).

Obviously, a team that had won over the past 10 years, if not longer would have had an easier time getting everyone on board and completing this project.

But please, Murray is intentionally trying to tweak Wang here. So let's take this with a grain of salt. The bottom line is, whether she admits it or not, the Coliseum has 41 dates already filled out every season and brings in cash flow. Cash, that the County and Township need. If not for the Coliseum or reasonable alternative, everyone involved would lose.

So if she's a Rags fan, go to the Garden - otherwise, she should shut her trap because I have heard all I want to from her.

It's her leverage.

Wang wants new schools built and road expansion and environmental usage increased for the LHP she turned down (but gave a smaller, more locality friendly plan back to bargain - but Wang wouldn't bargain).

Wang wanted a taxpayer floated arena - for a miserably misrun team. It failed like a Reasoner breakaway.

So Wang, with NO leverage, must go smaller.

If you or I owned the team, would it not be SMART (can't use the f*ing word with Wang in charge) to build a winner that sells out and try again? Make it something TO BE MISSED and there goes Murray's leverage. She goes from saving taxpayers money to losing a wanted and hot commodity.


That's the rationale I get from her words.


And said rationale also expands into Wang wanting to move the worst team in the league over the past decade to Brooklyn or Queens. He has no leverage. Think Ranter doesn't know this when they discuss a deal?

I do not begrudge her the leverage she used. She had it and she used it.

After all these years, though, the deal is dead. So bow out gracefully and show some class. Why bring up the Rags or even comment on it now after all this time.

Now I look at this as I look at her counter-offer combined with a refusal to turn the LHP down.....

Wang, TAKE THE HINT!

(women are subtle - though put a donut on the ground by schoolkids and Murray will maul one of the tikes)

1. Make the team relevant.
2. Try to make a valid offer THEN.

But many get lost with her complimenting the Rangers. I just see how obvious she is (and she agrees with about all of us).

You want us to help you, you do some helping yourself first.

Then we'll talk.

Snow is rumored (by dickless I mean nameless blogger) to be after a top defenseman (to trade for Yakupov). The NYR have rebuilt and are winning. Phoenix is done rebuilding and is in it. LAK has finished their rebuild and is winning. We're lauding Capuano and Snow's jobs and a steady cap floor evasion endeavor.

Murray's message is to get off your vibrating couch with donut coaster (Snow, you fat POS) and get winning already. Make the Isles worth keeping.



I know, it lacks the hatred of Ms.Piggy aspect, but if Hillary Clinton told me the obvious, I'd be pissed I didn't already know - and adhere.

Saying Kate Murray is right is like putting lipstick on a pig!

Well that better be one charming mutha ****ing pig.

The New York Islanders HAVE A Off-Season Game Plan :monkeylaugh:

I think Led has it right. The monkey is laughing. Garth and Wang, leading the Islanders to the next level. :rofl:

2 PLANS ACTUALLY

1- GOLF
2- PUBERTY

If the Islanders spend 1/2 as much actually trying to improve team that they do trying to get John Tavares on the cover of some stupid @#$%ing video game....we would not have this problem!

They've already ordered the chain link fence to put around the coliseum for April 6th 2015 after the close of the season.

But will they tweet it?

NY Islanders proudly announce our latest (last) corporate sponsor - Amendola's Fence Products #mindthetumbleweed

:rofl:

It really is annoying. Even if he were to win the voting...which he won't...the cover is usually reserved for one of the previous season's MVP's or HUGE stars. JT is neither....and all the votes in the world aren't going to make EA put him on the cover: FACT

Sorry but she doesn't. It isn't douche-bag Murray's place to make comments like that. I don't recall any NYC pols in the 80's saying when Steinbrenner was crying for a new stadium or he'd take the team to NJ..."the Yankees need to be more exciting like the Mets".

If Murray thinks the TENANT of the arena is a reason to pass a plan, she's a f@#$%ing idiot. It doesn't matter if its the Islanders in the arena or someone else. The question is this...

Does NVMC need renovation? Do the people of LI deserve a top notch entertainment destination?

Thats all she should be answering. As far as Wang goes...yeah he sucks as an owner, but she sucks as a politician...helping no one but herself.

I'm so tired of the "she offered Wang a counterproposal and he said no" bullshit. NO SHE DIDN'T!

Can anyone tell me the specifics of this proposal? No. Why? Because she never made it public. And if it doesn't go public, as Senator Phil Graham once told me, "it doesn't exist".

She never voted on Wang's proposal. They essentially let it die in committee which is the cowardly politicans way of killing something without having to actually take a stand on it. THEY NEVER VOTED ON IT.

Now, NONE OF THIS IS MEANT AS GIVING WANG A PASS OR EXONNERATING HIM. He's a horses @$$ and an owner on the level of pond scum. But I have news for people...there is plenty of room for two douchebags on this issue and that is EXACTLY what we have here.

Murray can stfu about how the Isles need to be more like the Rangers. I would love to hear the Isles say this...and if they were smart they would, but they aren't so it won't come to them...

YEAH...WE SHOULD BE MORE LIKE THE RANGERS...THEIR ARENA IS GOING TO BE RENOVATED FOR THE THIRD TIME SINCE 1970 THIS SUMMER. HOW ABOUT OURS? FUNNY HOW NYC POLITICIANS CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

I don't want to hear $h!+ from Wang or Murray unless an arena deal gets done. Otherwise, both need to stfu and take a long walk off Montauk's lighthouse. That would be a show at the LH I'll buy a ticket to.

that should post of the day.. :thumbsup:

Umm, Murray offered a scaled down plan and Wang never negotiated it, just laid out the yes or no. That's a counterproposal in my book.

The NVMC is a standing arena that needs a renovation. The County has a tight financial issue. Murray has NO SAY in a renovation, just the County. So.....she says if the Isles would WIN (sell more tickets, make more revenue, provide MORE TAX DOLLARS TO THE COUNTY, allow for funds to be spent wisely rather than on Hilbert, Mottau, Rolston & Crutches in net) there wouldn't be an issue.

Now.....if an entity pulling their weight (MSG, the Rag$) wants a renovation after putting in hundreds of millions in tax revenue over time, THEY F***ING GET ONE!

If the Isles want a new building or renovation on the backs of the overtaxed citizens and in return field teams tens of millions under the minimum salary floor, F*** THEM!

So, I agree. If you run the NVMC better, you have a better shot at some sympathy from Joe Public, who aptly turned down a tax increase to fund Wang's ineptitude.

So....where was Murray wrong?


Perhaps I'm too conservative. The state is not a bottomless cash dispenser but a body responsible for balanced budgets and responsible use of our common public trust (our taxes). So need is not the same as merit. Need gets you yet another bloated post office financial meltdown, AMTRAK and other political hot issues I won't go into. NVMC needs a fixin'. They should get one. Now, where things are, I don't want anything but County debt paid so people can see their taxes reduced. The NVMC is a luxury right now with so many serious things going on.

But.....if the team would win and Wang would run the place better, there's a bigtime case for the place being preserved.

So....we got screwed by the County, State and Wang as well and the building now suffers.

So, Chucky, take some advice from the enemy: run a better business, assclown.

I find it amusing when people defend Wang. It's hilarious, actually. The guy has dumped this team into the black hole of "does anyone really care anymore" with his penny pinching and cupcakes and asking STHs three years in advance for money. Oh, when does Shawn Bates get a call and see if he's interested in coming back?

who is defending him?

Name one specific part of her "counter proposal". I keep hearing that, but never see anything specific...which means it doesn't exist.

I am laughing out loud with tears in my eyes.
so true!!!

No one gives a rats ass about a video game cover. The Facebook and twitter push from the team is embarrassing ESPECIALLY NOW when the playoffs are going on.
You know, the place this GM vowed we'd be? But there's no accountability.

Only lies and ignorant hockey psychobabble from Wang, Snow, their hockey challenged minions, lady :blah: GA etc.

F all of them.

B)

Damn right I wrote it, said it, mean it.

;)

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

The 60% (some say 40%) where the housing was removed? Recall it? It was based on the allowable density. You don't recall Murray's counter? Seriously? Alrightythen.

http://www.lettherebelighthouse.com/2010/0...scale-down.html

She outlined what would pass.

Wang never negotiated, but you'll not recall she offered to discuss it. You'll not recall what was flexible and what was not (allegedly, per news chatter).

Which means it doesn't exist? :letssee:

Yes, it doesn't exist. Don't give me this BS about "she offered to discuss" or "she outlined what would pass". WTF did she exactly outline? I'm not praising Wang at all. He's an idiot, but he said specifically what he wanted built and where. That's called a plan. Murray comes back with NONE of that. No information about what would be built or where...just "zoning regulations". That's all. That isn't a plan. That is, "here are your new guidelines to work within...see what can be built within it". Again, nothing specific.

It is that attitude why LI pols can't get jack $h!+ done. You don't have a guy spend a couple mill on his plan, then instead of having a formal vote on it respond with "yeah, we know you spent 5 mill or whatever on your plan, but we won't vote on it. Instead, here are the new zoning parameters we've come up with so now negotiate". That isn't a negotiation. That isn't even CLOSE to how Pitt did business with the Steelers, Pirates or Penguins when their new arenas were built. That isn't close to how NYC deal with the Yankees or how Quebec is moving towards building an arena.

If Murray and the TOH had actually voted NO and then came back with an actual counterproposal with specifics about what could and couldn't be built and where it could and couldn't go...that I could respect.

But both sides handled it like asses. Wang for wanting to build Wang's World and then not willing to say "maybe its too much". Murray for hiding behind committees and "environmental projects" and NEVER giving specifics. I've sat in on committees just like this on Capitol Hill. This was never anything more than a death by committee. If Murray really wanted a compromised reached, she would have had a more specific plan ready to go as a starting point for negotiations. AND she would have had it ready back in 2008...not waiting until the 23 1/2 hour to unveil it with no specifics.

But as long as TOH, LIers and Isles fans have to deal with tools like Murray and Wang, we will see more of the same and nothing will get done...to our detriment, not theirs.

http://www.newsday.com/lighthouse-at-long-island-1.2092015

You ask and you receive. Town of hempstead followed up with it's own zoning plan after the original LIghthouse plan was submitted. The TOH detailed the zoning they'd like to see, but Wang never attempted to recreate his ideas (except for the towers) within those guidelines. Remember the town dictates the zoning, and if you want to build it's within the parameters they set or you don't build. Every builder knows that. It's normal in local development of major projects. A continued back and forth until both sides are happy and can live with what's going in. Wang took his ball and went home, end of story. Then he put a massive negative PR attack against Murray and that sealed the deal. She was not going to bend after being made a villain.

They did by providing them the zoning. It's not up to the town to design the project, only to make sure it fits the plans laid out on usage of the land. You wanted the TOH to actually design and submit there own plans? They don't employee architects, they employee engineers and planners. The Town doesn't build, they approve or disapprove, and then inspect and certify. I've been in municipal government for over 26 years (yes, less than 4 years to retirement :yea: ) and seen projects from beginning to end. It's not the job of the town to design structures, just to make sure they meet code on how they are built, where they are built, and for what use they are going to be used for.

No offense, but you are WRONG this time!!!!!

No one is praising Murray, but she left it open for negotiations.
I HAVE FRIENDS WITHIN LI POLITICS RIGHT NOW who have more information and clued into what is going on right NOW in relation to WANG.

You are basing your opinions on what you remember from LI.

:cheers:

The people in the know that I speak to say the same thing. Wang isn't looked at in a good light by anybody in Nassau County politics... on both sides of the fence.