Probiotics question, Mentions Crohn's & IBS

[beachbuminthecountry]

What is everyones opinion on taking probiotics with having leaky gut and do you all believe in leaky gut.

Also is there a probiotic that can be taken in food form....like fermented veggies, but even then I am not sure of taking.

[Selahgal]

I just read something very good that mentioned leaky gut .... I think it was in Rich & Lannie's newsletter. I'll see if I can dig it up for ya.....

I think probiotics would be EXCELLENT for that!!!


Okay found it .... I think:

http://healthpath.wickedstones.com/newsletter_19.htm

Intestinal Disorders and Fungi
Doug A. Kaufmann

The following text is copied from the book The Fungus Link: An Introduction to Fungal Disease, copyright © 2000, by Doug A. Kaufmann, with permission of the author.

As the title indicates, I am expounding on intestinal problems in this section. There are those of us who feel that seemingly harmless prescriptive drugs (e.g., antibiotics, cortisone, and birth control pills) can alter the terrain of the bowel enough to initiate an intestinal yeast infection. So often the intestines are the first tissues that are damaged by these activated yeasts, or fungi. For that reason, I thought you should learn how to identify whether your gut problems are really a serious disease for which you are relegated to a life of medicines, or whether your doctor may have been unaware that intestinal fungi can mimic serious intestinal disorders.

What serious gut diseases can these gut yeasts mimic? Of equal importance is that you understand that the portal of entry of these disease initiators is, in this case, the mouth. Not only is there significant evidence that molds and their mycotoxins occur in our food supply, but once these devious little mold spores become activated (remember, antibiotics can activate them), everyday foods within our diet may feed them and keep them proliferating throughout the intestines. Of course, once flourishing within our intestines, they can make life miserable. In these cases, it is quite common to have bloating, belching, intestinal gas, constipation, diarrhea, indigestion, and esophageal reflux. You can imagine what happens when these fungi escape the intestines via “leaky gut” – a condition that is actually common once these fungi become active in the intestines.

Crohn’s disease and irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) are very serious intestinal disorders. The dictionary states that sections of the alimentary (digestive) tract become inflamed, thickened, and ulcerated with these diseases. Crohn’s disease is also known as regional enteritis, regional enterocolitis, and inflammatory granulomatous bowel disease. I will never understand why one set of symptoms had to be called by four different names, but such is allopathic medicine! You do not suppose that a disease so complex as to have four names might actually be a fungus in the gut and not really a disease at all, do you?

Two testimonial letters in this chapter are very thought provoking. I would not say that either case is cured of bowel disease; however, both found significant relief in addressing an underlying fungal condition. I often wonder what would have happened if I had met these people before the gastroenterologists met them. Could I have prevented further deterioration of the bowel? Was surgery really necessary? What role did carbohydrates or antibiotics play in the beginnings of their gut problems? More than their wonderful letters, I have begun to love both these contributors and I thank them for the courage in apprising others of the fungal link to their diseases. Could fungus be contributing to your stomach and intestinal problems also? You bet it could!

The saddest part of these debilitating gut diseases remains that many gastroenterologists have absolutely no idea that there exists a fungal pathology in many cases of Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis. By treating a pathogen (fungus) rather than a disease, it is very likely that many patients with gut diseases will get better faster. And most importantly, if a fungal condition exists after a short course of antifungal medicines, the patient can initiate an antifungal herbal approach. You might want the doctor to prescribe a systemic and gut antifungal medicine for a few weeks just to ascertain whether your gut problems are really a serious gut disease or fungus. If you feel better within two to four weeks, get to a health food store and inquire about natural antifungal remedies.

[healthybee]

Probiotics heals leaky gut. I responded to this same question on another thread...
somewhere...I can't find it!!
Anyway,
Yes, leaky gut is real. Candida will drill holes in the gut allowing food to leak into the blood stream and this will not only cause you to feel bad, cause allergies and sensitivities, but will give false reading on allergy skin prick tests.

L-glutamine will help heal the gut as will aloe vera juice. Probiotics help kill the bad guys in the gut as well as repopulating the good guys.

I have heard a lot of positive things on saurkraut, yogurt, kefir. But other than yogurt, I don't know much about them. I personally don't like yogurt, so I prefer to take the pills.

[beachbuminthecountry]

Hey HB,

On Shelley's site shes if you have leaky gut and take probiotics it will leach out to the bloodstream, so she says to address the leaky gut first, so confused....

http://www.askshelley.com/faq.php?p=default&cat=38#a25

You will have to scroll to were it says leaky gut...

I have been sticking to a somewhat good diet and the yeast thing is almost gone, it almost seems like it leaches out of my small intestines through the wall of the vagina, like it is sitting there...and does taking an herbal laxative will that disturb the stuff in the intestines cause more symptoms once they are eliminated....hope that makes sense..

[Chellebob]

Yes, I have heard both ways, that you can become allergic to probiotics if you have leaky gut and that probiotics can help.

I am concerned about the same thing. (And still scared to take L-Glutamine)

I did read a review to Healthy Trinity on Amazon from someone who said they had terrible allergies and after taking HT, they all went away.

[healthybee]

Ok, I'm totally confused! Do you mean that bacteria/yeast are leaking out of the gut and giving you vaginal infections??

It is my understanding that your entire body needs probiotics. If you are taking probiotics, for instance, your baby will receive them through the birth canal and through mother's milk. So, they need to transfer in from somewhere within the food chain.

Nothing against Shelly, but I would get my info from Natren before I would listen to her.

I have recently written Natren abuot the informational pages being removed from their site...They are considering returning them... until then, these links are not much info... just ads!
http://www.natren.com/gy-na-tren.asp is where Natasha talks about this...

http://www.natren.com/HSS.asp This link talks a wee bit about how gut bacteria help vaginal yeast.

Plus you can call these people and ask questions. But it would be nice of you bought a product of course!!

Yes, Chelle, my hubby was the same way!! You can read his comment under Killer Bee. Allergies are generally caused by leaky gut, so healing the gut will stop the "allergy."

L-glutamine is very well studied. I don't think you need to be afraid to use it!
www.bioactivenutrients.com/Glutamine.html

"The most abundant amino acid in the body is L-Glutamine (Glutamine). It is very important for your digestive system. The cells of the intestinal lining absorb nutrients and provide a barrier against toxins and bacteria that enter the stomach with food and water. Chemicals found in what we eat weaken the intestinal lining. A compromised intestinal barrier allows bacteria and toxins to pass into the bloodstream. Glutamine helps the intestinal lining from deteriorating.

L-Glutamine is also a primary source of fuel for the immune system. The cells of the immune system need an adequate supply of Glutamine or they cannot defend the body against infection and disease. Glutamine keeps the immune system working at maximum capacity and stimulates the production of antioxidants. L-Glutamine also aides in destroying toxic free radicals within your body.

If your digestive tract is not healthy, digestion can be hindered, causing a nutrient deficiency and decreasing the body's ability to function efficiently. Studies show that Glutamine is needed to keep the digestive tract healthy."

Also click on the link and click "Learn More" purple circle (Didya' Know?) and learn even more.

[beachbuminthecountry]

Hey all, now that we are all so confused lol lol lol.....Ok I only got the vaginal yeast infection (in the canal) when I took that probiotic..but I get itching and burning in the fold area and by the uretha and it gets more intense are urinating so I am not sure if it is yeast or can you have high acid levels....and is bacterial the same as yeast--this is confusing to me.....should I heal the leaky gut first...I have been taking L glutamine for that and cause I have been working out and it helps with energy...I can say I have a good amount of energy...I try to keep my b's up and mag. and some vit c...I go how I feel except for the L glutamine I try to take every day and my rest for a day...but I read the gy-na-tren and I think I am going to buy that...I assume you highly recommend it....I also get the rash around my mouth which I assume is related to the digestion too...It is like ezcema and on my eyes..that is the same thing I get in the vaginal fold area, but the vaginal canal was fine until I took the probiotic...so I either was allergic to the trace amount of milk or there was other crap the has a weird yeast...like Lannie said stay away from Bacillus...

So bottom line would be I will order that product if you all think it is good (it looks good) and while i am waiting for it I will heal the leaky gut and take my antifungals... sorry for the confustion....that product sounds good cause it doesn't have many strains...

[healthybee]

Hey BB!

I'm glad something I said helped!! Yes, I recommend anything Natren has as Natasha is so knowledgeable. I have not used her product as I have not had a yeast infection in well over 10 years. That was my only one.

As for rashes of any kind, that still sounds like yeast or fungus. And delicate tissues which are inflamed and irritated can be fungal and acidic. Remember that diaper rash, which is similar, starts with acid next to the skin and then yeast can cause a "secondary" infection when the rash starts. Although it can be from being wet along with the acid.

So, keeping dry, taking probiotics, using that gy-na-tren, stop eating carbs (sugars*) for a few days, take an antifungal, and take the L-glut, I think you should be on a good start!!

*Carbs can be eaten since you are working out but I would stick with whole grains except corn.

At least that is what I would do personally, if I had these symptoms.

[beachbuminthecountry]

Hey HB,

Thanks alot you help alot, it makes sense..

[Chellebob]

I talked to someone from Natren this morning. He said if you have leaky gut then the probiotics would "help!". I've got mine ordered. They'll be here tomorrow. First time buyers get a 10% discount... and it was only $4 more to have it shipped here so quickly. I'll let you all know how it goes.

He also said to only take 1 every other day to begin with to limit, (hmmm, how did he word it? I believe the equivalent to die off. He said you may experience gas and bloating because of toxins in your gut) the possible reaction.

[beachbuminthecountry]

Hey all,

I took florastor that my dad has and I took 2 last night and 1 this morning, my face rash reacted to it and my left eye looks like some hit it, but the rash around the mouth is better, just for a little bit this morning it keep flaking no matter how many times I wiped it , but now it is getting better..wasn't as bad as the other probiotic I took....The other probiotic my it itch like crazy and made both eyes swollen and itchy too, and down yonder I got the yeast infection...the florastor didn't do that only what I mentioned above...I also had my acv and lemon this morning too....I took some iodine and I feel good....I also took olive leaf just a few mins ago--about 3 hours since the probiotic....I think it may be a healing reaction since I didn't have such a bad reaction this time...I think it stirs up stuff inside me and I think the other probiotic had some kind of yeast in it that didn't argee with me.....so when I get home I am going to order the same as CB...

[healthybee]

Consider taking probiotics at bedtime with a pinch of food. That gives them time to get to the gut and start colonizing possibly. Taking before an anti-fungal will certainly kill them quickly!! I never take in the a.m. for that reason, b/c I take my anti-funglas thoughout the day with each meal.
Just a thought. Saves you $$ as well.

[beachbuminthecountry]

Ok will do....I will listen to someone who hasn't had an yeast infection for a long time, lol...you are definitly doing something right.....

Thanks again...for being there....

[Lannie]

Susan, do you realize that Florastor is not probiotics, but yeast? It's a non-pathogenic yeast, granted, but it's not what you need in your gut. Hopefully the olive leaf you took afterward killed it all. About the only thing I've ever heard S. boulardii being used for is outnumbering the C. difficile "bad guys" in severe cases of Clostridium bacterial infection of the intestines. Even then, I'd hesitate to use a yeast, and would think it better to outnumber the Clostridium with good bacteria.

But it's up to you. If it makes you feel better, then by all means, use it.

~Lannie

[beachbuminthecountry]

Wow, thanks...no I didn't....ok nothing until I order the other, man o man....I will just do antifungals, I have no trouble with them, actually they helped me alot.....but I think the oil of oregano was getting to much for me and my have become use to it....