Fey Sex and Gender, A much hushed subject for most RPGs!

I've only just begun.

Mwuh ha ha ha ha!

Seems like the consensus favors option #2.

I believe, Sig, that Talisman was referring to making a gay NPC. What you described with nymphs would be closer to option #1.

Anyways, I think I can do subtle. Subtle is easy.

My "iconic gay-fey NPC" vote for now: Puck.

Seriously.

For female, Mab/Maev.

May I hear your reasoning behind these choices?

Puck: read Shakespeare. You'll see it too.

Mab: strong willed, independant female. No man would be good enough for her, and given the predominant Fey matriarchy, there would be tons of choices....

And let's not forget Diana/Danu, and her girls-only club of Nymphs.

I have read Shakespeare.

Didn't we just say Fey were not completely (or even mainly) matriarchal?

Diana and Danu come from entirely seperate mythologies. Danu's had children, and Diana's thing is more her virginity.

Did we?


Oh, and Diana and Danu are different words for the same deity. Same role, same origin, variations through distance between the cultures.

Irish from Iberians from Spain from Latin culture.

Diana and Danu have nothing to do with each other.

First of all, the belief that the Irish came from Spain is a theory that is not necessarily believed by all scholars. Even if they did, they would have left Spain long before it was conquered by the Romans.

Gaelic does not derive from Latin. (Irish) Gaelic derives from either Insular Celtic or Q-Celtic, depending on which lingual theory you believe. The only connection with Latin is that they are both Indo-European languages. But by that, you could say Gaelic derives from Farsi Persian. Keep in mind that Ireland was never conquered by the Romans.

Julius Caesar tried to identify each of the English-Celtic Gods with Roman gods, but most scholars dismiss his identifications. He was a conquering general, after all, and it was standard Roman belief that everyone worshipped the same gods by different names.

If we are going to try to find a cognate for Danu in Roman mythology, the clearest canidate is Gaia. They are both ancestral Earth mothers, pretty easy to associate with one another. Diana and Danu do not have similar roles...at all. If we want to find a canidate for Diana's equivalent in Celtic mythology, we have to try a lot harder, and ultimately we fail. Maybe Rhiannon, for the moon connection...but that's about their only connection. Maybe Morrigan, for the anti-male connection...but the Morrigan was a lot meaner than Diana, and she definetly wasn't a virgin.

Maybe, if you go back thousands and thousands of years, to a time before recorded history, Danu and Diana dervive from the same archetypal figure. But that is an enormous, epic-level maybe.

The archetypal figure thing is popular among scholars right now, but you get to the point where two related figures in mythology are completely different. Lugh and Loki derive from the same deity, but couldn't be less similar. Same with Hermes and Odin.

Also, from Talisman:

Which I agree with.

Which I agree with.

Aha, that's fine.

...Anyways, I have a few figures in mind. All it takes is adding a sentence or two to a description. I've been needing to update a few of the earlier courts anyways, and I can make the change then.

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Looks good...I'd go so far as to say that people who would be uncomfortable with "gayness" probably wouldn't even notice it.

I'd say #2 as well, though #1 could work. I have to say, I have always seen the fey royalty as dualistic: one male, one female, ruling together. Not matriarchal, not patriarchal. Just my 2 cold iron pennies!

Blessed be,
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Nice addition to Cernunnos. I had to read it a few times just to notice the implication of homosexuality. I thank you people for starting such an invisible topic in D&D. The question of homosexual fey, of course, leads us into the bigger question of how DMs deal with sexuality in general in their games. Come to think of it, how do most DMs deal with sexuality in their games?
But I digress. Anyways, thank you for bringing this issue to light. And I ROTFLed when I read the jurassic park refferences.