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| mousebumples |
Posted: Jan 15 2012, 02:23 PM
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Dean of the Diplomatic Corps ![]() Group: Charter Nation Posts: 636 Member No.: 176 Joined: 8-July 10 |
Should the repeal of that atrocious "Legalizing Prostitution" pass (please, yes, hopefully??), I think we need to get a nice blocker in place.
Definitely a rough draft - and, looking at it, probably needs some editing. Still, if anyone has thoughts or suggestions, I'm open to them. I'm not planning to post this to the NS forums anytime soon since I fully expect Great Azarath (or whatever name he's going by now) to go off on me for daring to write a proposal under "his" category. And, yes, this is sorta a "vengeful" draft. His ignorance in the repeal thread motivated me to write this, so .... *raspberries* |
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| Kenny |
Posted: Jan 15 2012, 04:10 PM
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Boy Gone WILD! ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 4,907 Member No.: 1 Joined: 24-April 06 |
I dunno, I don't like the looks of that "This only applies to prostitution-friendly countries" clause; it's just one step above an Optionality clause. Even if it was legal (and I have my doubts), member countries could always just pass an official "ban" on prostitution, refuse to enforce it, then look the other way as people are systematically exploited for sex.
What I would suggest is a tough Human Rights resolution dealing directly with the sex trade and punishing perpetrators of human smuggling for purposes of sex, and banning further exploitative treatment of sex workers. (Do we already have a resolution on the sex trade? The Slavery/Trafficking Ban already somewhat overlaps this, I know.) Then tack on the end an affirmation of nations' rights to legalize or ban the practice of prostitution. That's how I'd go about it. |
| Snefaldia |
Posted: Jan 15 2012, 04:36 PM
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No one's hotter than Bea. Group: Observer Posts: 1,062 Member No.: 97 Joined: 10-July 07 |
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| Flibbleites |
Posted: Jan 15 2012, 04:49 PM
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Mental Masturbator Group: Observer Posts: 1,000 Member No.: 5 Joined: 25-April 06 |
What's wring with my blocker"
http://z11.invisionfree.com/Antarctic_Oasi...?showtopic=1588 |
| mousebumples |
Posted: Jan 15 2012, 05:05 PM
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Dean of the Diplomatic Corps ![]() Group: Charter Nation Posts: 636 Member No.: 176 Joined: 8-July 10 |
Works for me! I mostly forgot about your blocker, Flib. *blushes* And I still think the above might be legal since it has at least 1 active clause that applies to ALL nations [STIPULATES that current and former sex workers and their clients may not be discriminated against within any WA member state.] - and that was styled after NAPA, in a way. (NAPA, as we all will likely recall, required that nuclear warheads be prevented from falling into the wrong hands, which is basically optional since those who do not possess nuclear warheads don't need to take care of that sort of thing.) Regardless, since Flib has a blocker already drafted, I'm happy to abandon this proposal draft. (I have enough projects on-going at the moment already.) |
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| Snefaldia |
Posted: Jan 15 2012, 06:17 PM
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No one's hotter than Bea. Group: Observer Posts: 1,062 Member No.: 97 Joined: 10-July 07 |
Nothing wrong with your blocker, Flib, but I think we'll have a devil of a time passing it, and having the WA take a stance on human trafficking while simultaneously blocking future props on whoremonging would bring everyone to the table.
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| Snefaldia |
Posted: Jan 15 2012, 06:52 PM
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No one's hotter than Bea. Group: Observer Posts: 1,062 Member No.: 97 Joined: 10-July 07 |
This is an attempt- I've used some of your wording, mousey, from your draft here and from your comments in Flib's thread. I think the language referencing "nations where prostitution is legal" should be excised as it's basically Optionality. The last clause probably needs some re-wording and might need to be dropped altogether. I paraphrased the definitions from the US Federal Government's 2000 Trafficking Victims Prevention Act. |
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| Flibbleites |
Posted: Jan 15 2012, 07:06 PM
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Mental Masturbator Group: Observer Posts: 1,000 Member No.: 5 Joined: 25-April 06 |
Well, at the moment I can't even submit the thing due to a lack of endorsements. So as long as the WA buts out of prostitution I'll be happy. |
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| mousebumples |
Posted: Jan 15 2012, 07:10 PM
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Dean of the Diplomatic Corps ![]() Group: Charter Nation Posts: 636 Member No.: 176 Joined: 8-July 10 |
A few suggested alterations/additions:
I think that's pretty workable, overall. Just a few mostly minor critiques, that I tried to explain above without going into all of my usual crazy color-coding. (More effort required on IF since the BBcodes are a little different.) Hope it was helpful! |
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| Snefaldia |
Posted: Jan 15 2012, 07:16 PM
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No one's hotter than Bea. Group: Observer Posts: 1,062 Member No.: 97 Joined: 10-July 07 |
Wooo, good stuff. I think I'll keep abhorrence, and your comment about forced bondage is a good one.
Do you want to hang on to this one until we see where the repeal discussion goes? Or maybe we post it for comments as a R&R, maybe it'll give Alqania a boost? |
| Kenny |
Posted: Jan 15 2012, 07:22 PM
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Boy Gone WILD! ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 4,907 Member No.: 1 Joined: 24-April 06 |
Very nice work, Snef. My only quibble is with the word "legal" in the final clause. Again, it's only requiring legalizing nations to do it, when doubtlessly prostitution will also still exist in prohibition nations. Not that there's any way to enforce STD screening in countries where prostitution is banned, but still...
Maybe add a clause encouraging nations to take further steps to combat the exploitation of sex workers and the transmission of STDs, including legalization? Like it or not, legalization is a pretty effective buffer against that. |
| Snefaldia |
Posted: Jan 15 2012, 07:40 PM
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No one's hotter than Bea. Group: Observer Posts: 1,062 Member No.: 97 Joined: 10-July 07 |
Went with this:
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| mousebumples |
Posted: Jan 15 2012, 08:04 PM
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Dean of the Diplomatic Corps ![]() Group: Charter Nation Posts: 636 Member No.: 176 Joined: 8-July 10 |
I'd vote to wait AT LEAST until the repeal is At Vote. Great Azarath (or whatever his name is now) has a pretty atrocious replacement going on, and - I figure - if he was aware that there was "competition" for a replacement, he'd probably make even more of a pest of himself. (If, that is somehow, possible.) When At Vote, having a replacement may be of use, but I don't know that there will be as much clamoring for a replacement as there would be for, say, a repeal of CoCR or something of that sort. *shrugs* I'm happy to defer to whatever you think is best. The semi-sadistic side of me (which is out in full force since my Packers lost today) would sorta love for a quality replacement to be submitted out of the blue to block the over-regulation of the matter. |
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| Snefaldia |
Posted: Jan 15 2012, 08:09 PM
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No one's hotter than Bea. Group: Observer Posts: 1,062 Member No.: 97 Joined: 10-July 07 |
Good call.
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| Alqania |
Posted: Jan 15 2012, 08:46 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Member Posts: 115 Member No.: 189 Joined: 16-December 11 |
The nation formerly known as Great Azarath does not however seem to realise that their "idea" (they haven't drafted anything) for a proposal would need to replace "Legalizing Prostitution"; they seem to think that both resolutions could be on the books simultaneously. Their counter-campaign, although pathetic, seems like they want "Legalizing Prostitution" to stay on the books.
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